Pulling a Wiggins

[the sceptic]

He seems fat. IMO it's the only reason of his issues : doesn't want to take weight loss drugs anymore but still has a good threshold power. So still good at time trials but domestique in the climbs.
Could be enough for top ten in Roubaix (forecast = sunny and warm)

Why does no cycling media ask the obvious question? "how the **** do you go from best climber in the world, to lazy fatass who DNF every other race"

If Wiggins is the new Lemond as we were led to believe, he wouldnt become a complete joke so fast, even if he trained differently.

 

[martinvickers]

Why does no cycling media ask the obvious question? "how the **** do you go from best climber in the world, to lazy fatass who DNF every other race"

If Wiggins is the new Lemond as we were led to believe, he wouldnt become a complete joke so fast, even if he trained differently.

Who led you to believe that? links, please.

 

[oldcrank]

I'm not your friend.

2008 was the year Brailsford nearly quit coz doper Hayles got pinged for super Hct values. No exemption form despite having raced for years on the international scene.

What I found curious was one of the Netherland guys got done at the same time, and was also ousted.

But check that first heat for the other Netherlands guy and the other GB guy.

Yeah baby, Netherlands dude smacked Wiggo for 6.

Then died in the bvtt the next round. Handy having worlds at Manchester, innit?

Sigh.

Reading Rob Hayles explanations later is funny.

Anyway, same ol' same ol', with our mate Henao undergoing the same miraculous weeks of testing that prove nothing untoward is / was going on.

So looking forward to the day they get pinged.

I am very sorry to hear that, my friend, I was looking
forward to going for a ride and a coffee with you next
time I am in your fair city.

 

[Netserk]

Who led you to believe that? links, please.

For him to be able to perform as he has (clean), he'd have to be.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Now *that* is funny. Going retro and using the classic place in the front of the shorts to store your 'go' pills. Ooops.

John Swanson

 

[the sceptic]

Who led you to believe that? links, please.

Wiggins was at the peak of what is humanly possible, according to the 2012 generation of skybots. I suggest reading up on the sky thread.

Speaking of links, could you explain how you got the idea that people thought rape threats were fun?

 

[doperhopper]

Which Wiggins will we get, Tour of Flanders, or Tour de France?

I'm predicting Wiggo out of P-R about the Arenberg sector with a Flanders-level performance. Join in on the fun in the road racing P-R threads!

marginal degradation

 

[Benotti69]

marginal degradation

I like that

 

[pmcg76]

Why does no cycling media ask the obvious question? "how the **** do you go from best climber in the world, to lazy fatass who DNF every other race"

If Wiggins is the new Lemond as we were led to believe, he wouldnt become a complete joke so fast, even if he trained differently.

You clearly don't remember LeMond then because for large parts of 89/90/91 LeMond was a joke, fat....no make that very fat with zero form. Riding gruppeto at the Giro and then spanking the Tour less than a month later. If any current rider performed like LeMond did in 89-91, they would be considered one of the most obvious dopers of all time.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You clearly don't remember LeMond then because for large parts of 89/90/91 LeMond was a joke, fat....no make that very fat with zero form. Riding gruppeto at the Giro and then spanking the Tour less than a month later. If any current rider performed like LeMond did in 89-91, they would be considered one of the most obvious dopers of all time.

But the "fat" definition is vs other elite athletes, not average people.
And it's also the way people used to train - do your base then race to ride yourself into form.

Sky do / did use the inverse of this older style of training as an excuse for winning every race: "We race to win now, not to train" - as if thinking about winning everything is enough to be able to do it.

And then you have the classics guys also going to Tenerife (el oh el) in preparation for flat / cobbled 6-7 hour races and doing poorly. TO the point where Stannard comes out and says, "this is stupid, we should be racing to get race fitness". I agree wrt the classics and positioning / road furniture experience required.

Personally, I think the comparison of Wiggo to LeMond should be grounds for a 1 day holiday from the forum. A Godwin's Law style short holiday.

 

[pmcg76]

But the "fat" definition is vs other elite athletes, not average people.
And it's also the way people used to train - do your base then race to ride yourself into form.

Sky do / did use the inverse of this older style of training as an excuse for winning every race: "We race to win now, not to train" - as if thinking about winning everything is enough to be able to do it.

And then you have the classics guys also going to Tenerife (el oh el) in preparation for flat / cobbled 6-7 hour races and doing poorly. TO the point where Stannard comes out and says, "this is stupid, we should be racing to get race fitness". I agree wrt the classics and positioning / road furniture experience required.

Personally, I think the comparison of Wiggo to LeMond should be grounds for a 1 day holiday from the forum. A Godwin's Law style short holiday.

I know from previous post's that your knowledge of LeMond and that era is severely limited. The LeMond type of preparation in those days was very akin to the Jan Ullrich type of preparation. We know how Ullrich managed to get in shape for the Tour and it wasn't just by riding himself into shape.

Very few people in the LeMond era ever got out of shape like LeMond did. Look back at the top riders from that era and they were all putting out results throughout the season, most were top 10 in the Vuelta or Giro whilst LeMond was in the gruppetto. No other riders were capable of going from the gruppetto to Tour winner in less than a month. It just didn't happen.

LeMond was a contender at the Worlds in 1990 yet barely a month later couldn't even keep up with the bunch at the Nissan classic and dropped out on the first day.

 

[gillan1969]

You clearly don't remember LeMond then because for large parts of 89/90/91 LeMond was a joke, fat....no make that very fat with zero form. Riding gruppeto at the Giro and then spanking the Tour less than a month later. If any current rider performed like LeMond did in 89-91, they would be considered one of the most obvious dopers of all time.

you clearly don't remember lemond 78-86 that's what an athlete with a vo2 max pushing the upper limits of measured performance looks like.....89-91 is what they look like like after they've been shot and nearly died...wake up at the back!!!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The LeMond type of preparation in those days was very akin to the Jan Ullrich type of preparation. We know how Ullrich managed to get in shape for the Tour and it wasn't just by riding himself into shape.

Personal insinuations aside - coz the opportunity to reply in kind was left alone last time you made a fool of yourself - would you be so kind to clarify what you are implying regarding LeMond and his preparation?

I know Race Radio will back you up no matter what you say, thanks to your extensive knowledge in the area, so have at it, mate.

 

[gillan1969]

I know from previous post's that your knowledge of LeMond and that era is severely limited. The LeMond type of preparation in those days was very akin to the Jan Ullrich type of preparation. We know how Ullrich managed to get in shape for the Tour and it wasn't just by riding himself into shape.

Very few people in the LeMond era ever got out of shape like LeMond did. Look back at the top riders from that era and they were all putting out results throughout the season, most were top 10 in the Vuelta or Giro whilst LeMond was in the gruppetto. No other riders were capable of going from the gruppetto to Tour winner in less than a month. It just didn't happen.

LeMond was a contender at the Worlds in 1990 yet barely a month later couldn't even keep up with the bunch at the Nissan classic and dropped out on the first day.

yup...even when he was crap he was good that;s what happens when you're vo2 is in the 90s...only with sky when they were crap..they were...eh crap...wake up at the back!!!!

 

[pmcg76]

you clearly don't remember lemond 78-86 that's what an athlete with a vo2 max pushing the upper limits of measured performance looks like.....89-91 is what they look like like after they've been shot and nearly died...wake up at the back!!!

Why? did his vo2 max drop after he was shot? Going from the gruppetto to Tour winner in a month is indicitive of what? For the way LeMond is bigged up, it is easy to forget that for all his supposed superiority, LeMond had won one Tour and one World title before he was shot. Fignon won his first two Tours, who is to say that if Fignon had not got injured he might have been whipping LeMonds **** the whole way through the 80s much like Kelly did in the classics.

 

[martinvickers]

Wiggins was at the peak of what is humanly possible, according to the 2012 generation of skybots. I suggest reading up on the sky thread.

I suggest you do your own homework, and stop hiding. Links. Now.

Speaking of links, could you explain how you got the idea that people thought rape threats were fun?

Very simply from the post where, confronted with the details of what some of those 'fans' tweeted to Cound, a poster thought it apt to mock Cound, and hope she was driven from cycling.

 

[martinvickers]

For him to be able to perform as he has (clean), he'd have to be.

No, he wouldn't. Complete trolling nonsense.

Try again. This time, engage brain.

 

[martinvickers]

Personal insinuations aside - coz the opportunity to reply in kind was left alone last time you made a fool of yourself - would you be so kind to clarify what you are implying regarding LeMond and his preparation?

I know Race Radio will back you up no matter what you say, thanks to your extensive knowledge in the area, so have at it, mate.

He's not your mate.

 

[gillan1969]

Why? did his vo2 max drop after he was shot? Going from the gruppetto to Tour winner in a month is indicitive of what? For the way LeMond is bigged up, it is easy to forget that for all his supposed superiority, LeMond had won one Tour and one World title before he was shot. Fignon won his first two Tours, who is to say that if Fignon had not got injured he might have been whipping LeMonds **** the whole way through the 80s much like Kelly did in the classics.

whose to say indeed...Fignon, another great talent winning tours when wiggins was...eh crap and when froome was hanging onto door handles...choose your comparitors more carefully...

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

He's not your mate.

Touché .

 

[pmcg76]

whose to say indeed...Fignon, another great talent winning tours when wiggins was...eh crap and when froome was hanging onto door handles...choose your comparitors more carefully...

Am I defending Wiggins or Froome? No. It was Sceptic that made the Wiggins/LeMond comparison and said if there were alike then no way would Wiggins lose form so quick. I merely pointed out that LeMond could lose and gain form in a very short span of time and if such a rider existed nowadays, everyone would say they were doping.

I actually believe LeMond was clean but I also don't go for the LeMond was the once in a lifetime athlete, especially when he struggled to beat athletes in his own era. Both Hinault and Fignon were as good as LeMond and Roche at his best was not far off.

 

[The Hitch]

Very simply from the post where, confronted with the details of what some of those 'fans' tweeted to Cound, a poster thought it apt to mock Cound, and hope she was driven from cycling.

Funny how the Internet Taliban see someone getting abusive messages on twitter and lick their lips because they think it gives them a licence to drop all rules and simply attack anyone they damn well feel like for no reason whatsoever.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with autologus's post. He didn't send Cound any threats. He is perfectly entitled to make a short witty, tongue in cheek response to what someone else said.

You seem to have way way overestimated the justification of what happened to Cound gives you troll people on here.

No one here sent her those messages. That incident had absolutely nothing to do with anyone here. No one here is under any obligation to observe some sort of day of silence simply because the internet taliban demand it.

Imo you guys are just as bad for trying to capitalize on the threats in such a way as the people who sent them.

You don't like people making vanilla jokes on here?

Well as you always patronizingly like to say - tough titties.

The post was well within the rules and so long as its within the rules, we post whatever we want on here.
You want to play big brother or conduct a witch hunt. Go somewhere else.

 

[the sceptic]

I suggest you do your own homework, and stop hiding. Links. Now.



Very simply from the post where, confronted with the details of what some of those 'fans' tweeted to Cound, a poster thought it apt to mock Cound, and hope she was driven from cycling.

Yes, so what? You were the one who jumped to the conclusion this means he was laughing at rape threats. That says more about you than anyone else.

Hoping Cound goes away from cycling is a perfectly legitimate opinion that has nothing to do with what some retards on twitter do on their spare time.

 

[Granville57]

For the way LeMond is bigged up, it is easy to forget that for all his supposed superiority, LeMond had won one Tour and one World title before he was shot.

And even easier to leave out the well known facts that LeMond finished 3rd in his first attempt at the Tour, and 2nd in his second attempt (and could've won it, as has been well documented).

I'm not disputing much of what you're presenting, nor am I standing on one side of the fence with saber rattling, but the narrative need not be so reduced as you've done in the above post.

 

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