Pulling a Wiggins

[Ripper]

You clearly don't remember LeMond then because for large parts of 89/90/91 LeMond was a joke, fat....no make that very fat with zero form. Riding gruppeto at the Giro and then spanking the Tour less than a month later. If any current rider performed like LeMond did in 89-91, they would be considered one of the most obvious dopers of all time.

I remember Lemond had some interesting approaches to the TdF. Some folks seem to take a bit of a misguided view as to what is obvious dope preparation. He would often have long periods of sucking with one or two peaks a year.

 

[robow7]

I remember Lemond had some interesting approaches to the TdF. Some folks seem to take a bit of a misguided view as to what is obvious dope preparation. He would often have long periods of sucking with one or two peaks a year.

Lemond was well known on his team and to most all riders in general that he could put on a few pounds over winter but could get back in form in amazingly short time. Those guys raced 200 days a year so there were no surprises among them.

 

[autologous]

Very simply from the post where, confronted with the details of what some of those 'fans' tweeted to Cound, a poster thought it apt to mock Cound, and hope she was driven from cycling.

Can't you read? Or doesn't comprehension serve your disingenuous attempts at point scoring?

The post mocks enachev. Mocks him/her for the ridiculous notion that Contador needs to be driven from cycling because some nutjobs on twitter made rape threats.

And, mocks Enachev for, in their haste to troll post, losing track of the subject and grammar of their little rant and leaving open the grammatical interpretation that when enachev hoped "this idiot is finally removed, forever, from cycling" enachev referred to Cound, not Contador.

Then uses the opening left by enachev to voice my opinion that Cound, and any drama instigated by any racer's wives/girlfriends, for me and for many, has no place in cycling, so GTFO or at least STFU.


You want to use my post as evidence that I think "rape threats are fun" ? Sod you, you're way off. That's baseless and insulting.

Sod you and your condescension, too. As if your willful (or ignorant, which is it?) misinterpretation is, "very simply" correct.

 

[martinvickers]

Yes, so what? You were the one who jumped to the conclusion this means he was laughing at rape threats. That says more about you than anyone else.

Hoping Cound goes away from cycling is a perfectly legitimate opinion that has nothing to do with what some retards on twitter do on their spare time.

It was raised in direct and mocking response to a report of those offensive tweets. Play dumb if you want, Sceptic. Don't expect others to join you.

And your defence of this says a lot about you. Most of which, we already knew.

p.s. Still waiting on those links, Sceptic. If you haven't just made it up, that is.

 

[martinvickers]

You want to use my post as evidence that I think "rape threats are fun" ? Sod you, you're way off. That's baseless and insulting.

Sod you and your condescension, too. As if your willful (or ignorant, which is it?) misinterpretation is, "very simply" correct.

Be insulted. It was pretty clear in your response the seriousness you gave to those threats. Even by your self-regarding reading, which I struggle to stomach, frankly, a little pointscoring on the back of the threats on Cound was more important to you.

As I said. Be insulted; I couldn't care less in the circumstances of your post.

 

[Afrank]

martinvickers, Autologous said nothing of rape threats being fun in any of his posts. He said Cound has no place in cycling. Considering the things Cound has posted and said in the past, this a perfectly fine view to have. And there are probably a number of people on this forum that share the exact same view.

I can't for the life of me understand why you draw that he thinks rape threats are fun from this. This is approaching the grounds of personal attacks and insults to him, so stop relating his post to saying rape threats are fun.

 

[martinvickers]

martinvickers, Autologous said nothing of rape threats being fun in any of his posts. He said Cound has no place in cycling. Considering the things Cound has posted and said in the past, this a perfectly fine view to have. And there are probably a number of people on this forum that share the exact same view.

I can't for the life of me understand why you draw that he thinks rape threats are fun from this. This is approaching the grounds of personal attacks and insults to him, so stop relating his post to saying rape threats are fun.

Then try harder, and put your own biases aside to do it. His post was not freestanding; it was specifically in a response setting out the threats against Cound. If you don't see the link, it's because you don't want to.

 

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[The Hitch]

I can't for the life of me understand why you draw that he thinks rape threats are fun from this.

He is quite clearly taking advantage of the attacks on cound which he claims to be repulsed by, as an excuse to attack innocent people in the clinic. Autologous isnt even the only poster he bas done it to.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Let's see.

Wiggo was crap on the road because he was concentrating on the track.

Except he did concentrate on the road and was ordinary at best.

Gets his megabucks contract after some startling improvements in ability on the road, wins a Tour and then pretty much goes back to normal Wiggins on the road.

Doesn't get selected for the 2014 Tour and needs to preempt (conjecture) WTFs regarding his track ability in the team pursuit, so says the following:

“I remember finding out I wasn’t doing the Tour,” said Wiggins. “Then it was like: ‘Monday morning I was hitting the track.’

“It was like going back 15 years: the excitement of building my bike up again and getting back on the track for the first time. It was really refreshing actually, just enjoyable.

“I felt back in with the boys and they didn’t really care who you were. It was kind of like I had been away for the school holidays and come back to a new year and there new kids starting and everything.

“I’m a lot stronger than I used to be in the event, which is one of the things the road has given me. Hopefully that will continue for the next two years.”

http://road.cc/content/news/124561-wiggins-id-be-****ed-if-i-were-hoy-plus-fcking-chris-froome

 

[42x16ss]

Let's see.

Wiggo was crap on the road because he was concentrating on the track.

Except he did concentrate on the road and was ordinary at best.

Gets his megabucks contract after some startling improvements in ability on the road, wins a Tour and then pretty much goes back to normal Wiggins on the road.

Doesn't get selected for the 2014 Tour and needs to preempt (conjecture) WTFs regarding his track ability in the team pursuit, so says the following:

I can see Wigans being stronger simply due to the road but I can also see him being slower due to the endurance nature of road cycling over the pursuit.

Wigans wouldn't be the first to experience this if it's true, will be interesting to see where he fits in the lineup. I'm guessing he'll be third or fourth off instead of first like in his IP heyday.

 

[Franklin]

I remember Lemond had some interesting approaches to the TdF. Some folks seem to take a bit of a misguided view as to what is obvious dope preparation. He would often have long periods of sucking with one or two peaks a year.

Lemond was well known on his team and to most all riders in general that he could put on a few pounds over winter but could get back in form in amazingly short time. Those guys raced 200 days a year so there were no surprises among them.

I'm at a loss why people deny pcmg76 has a very good point. Indeed we can take this one further:

1. Dirty teams * Among them a team that indeed used blood transfusions and is squarely put in the frontline of epo.
2. Dirty personal doctor/soigneur
3. Amazing form improvement in short time spans.
4. Staying out of Europe for long stretches so no controls. Greg most certainly did NOT have 200 race days and most certainly did NOT stay close to his competitors.
5. Shady medical treatment (Iron Shot) that gives amazing results beyond anything expected.
6. Vehemently decrying doping is something dopers do as well.

For many reasons I do not think Greg doped .

But his profile would rank him squarely in the doper category to the current standards.

And to call people misguided is quite something. The questionmarks about 1989 stem long before LA won his first TdF, indeed people discussed the infamous iron shot from the start. Dismissing people who are a bit less than convinced about Greg's past is rather unbecoming for this forum where we question everyone.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So the narrative changes

from: I couldn't be any good on the road because I had to concentrate on the track
to: since I concentrated on the road I am stronger on the track

I can see Wigans being stronger simply due to the road but I can also see him being slower due to the endurance nature of road cycling over the pursuit.

Wigans wouldn't be the first to experience this if it's true, will be interesting to see where he fits in the lineup. I'm guessing he'll be third or fourth off instead of first like in his IP heyday.

I guess it depends on what you mean when you say, "stronger" and "slower", but his TP time dropped significantly between the 2004 and 2008 Olympics.

If he's "stronger" now, I am guessing he means he is going to keep up with his team mates - and in fact that means going quicker, not slower.

And he's back in the team, all in the space of 4 weeks training. No need to concentrate on the track to the exclusion of performing on the road.

NB: after 2 years of concentrating on the road, his IP time between Olympics from 2004 to 2008 was static. Unchanged.

 

[42x16ss]

By "stronger" I mean that Wigans' FTP would be higher, so yeah, if he has no issues getting on at the start he'll be valuable. What I mean by "slower" is that he won't have the top speed of his IP peak and won't be able to start/finish as strongly. That's why I suspect he won't be leading out and may even be dropped heading in to the last 200m.

Think of Durbridge with the Aus team - he had trouble with Bobridge & Meyer leading out but was able to do some huge turns in the 2nd and 3rd kms before often getting dropped on the last lap.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

By "stronger" I mean that Wigans' FTP would be higher, so yeah, if he has no issues getting on at the start he'll be valuable. What I mean by "slower" is that he won't have the top speed of his IP peak and won't be able to start/finish as strongly. That's why I suspect he won't be leading out and may even be dropped heading in to the last 200m.

Think of Durbridge with the Aus team - he had trouble with Bobridge & Meyer leading out but was able to do some huge turns in the 2nd and 3rd kms before often getting dropped on the last lap.

I don't mean to sound like I am arguing with you - and I am sure a Sky bot will jump in any second now and say you can't believe anything Wiggins says in interviews, but Wiggo specifically says he is "a lot stronger than I used to be in the event (TP)".

I don't think that means his FTP is better, because it's a supra VO2 max effort with recovery between turns on the front. I would suggest it means he can start quicker (stronger) and do the turns stronger than he did previously.

I guess we will have to wait and see what it means

 

[Franklin]

I am sure a Sky bot will jump in any second now and say you can't believe anything Wiggins says in interviews,

Not a Sky bot, but yeah, you can't believe anything wiggins says in interviews

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I can see Wigans being stronger simply due to the road but I can also see him being slower due to the endurance nature of road cycling over the pursuit.

Wigans wouldn't be the first to experience this if it's true, will be interesting to see where he fits in the lineup. I'm guessing he'll be third or fourth off instead of first like in his IP heyday.

I can't recall the batting order in 2004, but in 2008, Clancy led off, followed by Manning, with Wiggo and Thomas 3rd and 4th. If Wiggo led off in 2004, it was probably because he was least bad at in in the squad rather than being ideally suited to it.

I don't think Wiggo is going wildly fast in training, as if he was, he'd surely do the IP as well.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

If he's "stronger" now, I am guessing he means he is going to keep up with his team mates - and in fact that means going quicker, not slower.

Keeping up with the pace of the 2012 OG TP squad would be something.

Keeping up with this year's WC TP squad is somewhat less impressive given how much slower it is than the 2012 variant.

 

[RownhamHill]

Keeping up with the pace of the 2012 OG TP squad would be something.

Keeping up with this year's WC TP squad is somewhat less impressive given how much slower it is than the 2012 variant.

Out of interest, who else is in the England team for the Games?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Keeping up with the pace of the 2012 OG TP squad would be something.

Keeping up with this year's WC TP squad is somewhat less impressive given how much slower it is than the 2012 variant.

How much slower it was yes - good point. Whether that is still the case remains to be seen yes?

Although it's not the OG, so there's no money riding on success, so I am guessing they will be sub par but that's just my guess.

 

[JimmyFingers]

And it will be the English TP not the British TP, just sayin'

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

How much slower it was yes - good point. Whether that is still the case remains to be seen yes?

Agreed. The 2014 WC TP line-up was particularly weak by recent standards, and anecdotally, it "underperformed" even relative to lower expectations based on the line-up, so a better showing tomorrow is more likely than not.

It's worth noting that whilst a 3:56 or so would be impressive, it would still be nearly 4s down on 2012 speed, which is a lot in power terms (approx 5%) over such a short event.

 

[SundayRider]

Dopers regret? Surely he must have known how famous he would become being first Briton to win the Tour? Especially in an Olympic year in which sport was such big news.

Sir Bradley Wiggins says there have been times when he wishes he had never won the Tour de France and Olympic gold in 2012 that brought him national fame.

The 34-year-old aims to win his first Commonwealth Games gold medal on Thursday, two years after those feats.

"It was nice people saying 'it changed my life' and hearing things like 'the Wiggo effect'; that was a positive.

"From a personal point of view, there's been times I wish I'd never done all that," he told BBC Sport.

"I left for the Tour de France that year relatively unknown in the general public's eyes. When I came back, for a week or so I felt like the most famous man in the country.

"It's quite hard that level of fame, when you just want to do normal stuff with the children, things like that. That was hard but I think you learn to deal with it."

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Dopers regret? Surely he must have known how famous he would become being first Briton to win the Tour? Especially in an Olympic year in which sport was such big news.

I don't think anything can prepare you for changing from being able to go shopping and be largely unrecognised (i.e. Wiggo pre Tour 2012) to waking up with a large chunk of the nation's press photographers camped on your doorstep.

He might have thought he'd be famous if he won the Tour, but most likely had no idea how this fame would manifest itself on a practical, day to day basis.

 

[SundayRider]

I don't think anything can prepare you for changing from being able to go shopping and be largely unrecognised (i.e. Wiggo pre Tour 2012) to waking up with a large chunk of the nation's press photographers camped on your doorstep.

He might have thought he'd be famous if he won the Tour, but most likely had no idea how this fame would manifest itself on a practical, day to day basis.

I'm sure you would think about and prepare yourself, no? I mean he was already famous amongst sports fans just not the full 'general public' so had had experience of attending events, being asked for autographs pictures etc, the Tour winner just mean it was then on a bigger scale.. Have you never thought about what it would be like to be famous? I have.