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Rabobank riders connected with Austrian doping ring?

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Is he on Rabobank??:rolleyes:

Why does everything here turn to Armstrong?

The Armstrong detractors are as off putting as the supporters. What catchy name shall we give them? Jeerleaders?

It will be interesting to see what becomes of the investigation into the Rabo riders. From what I have read Menchov seems unconcerned. He said he is willing to give whatever info is required. I hope he follows through if required to do so.
 
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BigBoat said:
Except for the Kenocort (Triamcinolone Acetonide) for his saddle sores of course!

How dare you be sarcastic? In case you don't know, It's perfectly normal that you consistently have "no medications to declare" for weeks, only to remember that you had to use cortico to treat saddle sores when your teammate hurriedly runs in to tell you they'll be testing you for cortico.

Oh wait.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Ah come on' laugh with the rest of us! What did you think about that Urban Dictionary definition?!

i can honestly say i learnt something here today.. and it wasnt about cycling..
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Ah come on' laugh with the rest of us! What did you think about that Urban Dictionary definition?!

i thought was juvenile and just as tiresome as the rest.
i've found something slowoldman and i can agree about.
Jeerleaders!!
i'm gonna use it.
 
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BikeCentric said:
Post-dated Therapeutic Use Exemption after two denials of any TUE's.

as usual. every frickin' thread on here devolves into an excuse for lance bashing.
 
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jackhammer111 said:
i thought was juvenile and just as tiresome as the rest.
i've found something slowoldman and i can agree about.
Jeerleaders!!
i'm gonna use it.

Use it in good health...:)
I am with you on the bashing, some is in good fun and I have had a few chuckles, but when it goes on ad nauseum, it gets very tiresome.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
You make a good point, but from what I can tell, most people - this would mean most bike racing fans, and even casual riders down to the commuter level - have pretty much accepted that it's irrefutable that Lance doped.

from what i gather. you and brodeal and some otheres believe pretty much every single accusation made by anybody about lance.
since you keep making the comment about it being irrefutable, i'll do some refuting. tell me what you find irrefutable? the old blood samples?
if those tests are one of the reasons you think should have been banned or convicted of something i hope you someday are on trial for a crime that will be made or broken on the scientific evidence and it's a lab like LNDD that the jury is going to hear from in your trial. i'd like to hear from you then on "irrefutable evidence."
here's a short version.

"In October 2005, in response to calls from the International Olympic Committee and the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) for an independent investigation, the UCI appointed Dutch lawyer Emile Vrijman to investigate the handling of urine tests by the French national anti-doping laboratory, LNDD. Vrijman was head of the Dutch anti-doping agency for ten years; since then he has worked as a defense attorney defending high-profile athletes against doping charges.[45] Vrijman's report cleared Armstrong because of improper handling and testing.[46][47] The report said tests on urine samples were conducted improperly and fell so short of scientific standards that it was "completely irresponsible" to suggest they "constitute evidence of anything."[48] The recommendation of the commission's report was no disciplinary action against any rider on the basis of LNDD research. It also called upon the WADA and LNDD to submit themselves to an investigation by an outside independent authority.[49] The WADA rejected these conclusions.[50] The IOC Ethics Commission subsequently censured **** Pound, the President of WADA and a member of the IOC, for his statements in the media that suggested wrongdoing by Armstrong".

i also recommend http://velonews.com/article/9932

do you think he should have been banned on the basis of those tests?

somehow i think you are aware of this but have you own paranoid conspiracy theories about it.

does this prove he didn't dope?
of course i doesn't. but the blood tests certainly don't prove he did and the question is far far far from irrefutable.

i'm tired of this.

but if you guys keep acting like no reasonable person can disagree with you i guess i'll have to keep calling you out.
so... is the the blood evidence that's irrefutable or what? what have you got. bring it on.
 
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i thought was juvenile and just as tiresome as the rest.
i've found something slowoldman and i can agree about.
Jeerleaders!!
i'm gonna use it.

One of you fanboys brought up One Ball first, and now you b^&ch because someone challenged it? Either way, he doped and you are all just patsy's for believing otherwise. PT Barnum in the house! It is stunning that people like you cannot fathom the fact that your man crush is affecting your logic. I realized that you want to have your picture taken running with your shirt off with One Ball like Matthew, but It'll never happen. However, if pleasuring yourself to thoughts of an unspoiled hero are what get you off, far be it from me to get in your way. I don't want to get sticky.

Morons.
 
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but if you guys keep acting like no reasonable person can disagree with you i guess i'll have to keep calling you out.
so...

No logical, reasonable person understanding not only the 6 positive tests, but also the performance enhancement of blood doping and how it precludes an undoped rider from competing and winning against those who employ those techniques could disagree. Only a complete fanboy, man crushed moron could conclude otherwise. Sucks to be you.
 
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How old are you? You sound like you are twelve. I am a fan of many pro cyclists, I don't have my head in the sand either. I just stated it is as tiresome to listen to those who claim to despise Armstrong (yet can't seem to stay away from anything to do with him) as well as those who claim Armstrong is the greatest cyclist to ever live.

And if you are looking for a moron, find a mirror. By the way, you do realize you are complaining about people complaining right? Somewhat ironic, don't you think?

The rest of your post deserves no response.
 
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How old are you? You sound like you are twelve. I am a fan of many pro cyclists, I don't have my head in the sand either. I just stated it is as tiresome to listen to those who claim to despise Armstrong (yet can't seem to stay away from anything to do with him) as well as those who claim Armstrong is the greatest cyclist to ever live.

And if you are looking for a moron, find a mirror. By the way, you do realize you are complaining about people complaining right? Somewhat ironic, don't you think?

The rest of your post deserves no response.

You do realize that you are complaining about people who are complaining also? Kind of stings when you realize you are the one filling the mirror huh **** Cheney? Then again, show me where I am complaining about people who complain. I just pointed out the imbicility (I made that up, my mommy will be so proud) of morons like you. The rest of your post deserves no response.