Race interference: Protests, Sabotage, and Assaults

[hrotha]

In the Tour the french police gives you a whack with their baton if you run to close to the riders. Here the Spanish police doesn't even use them when you're blocking the road...

Provoking a riot at the finish line right before the peloton rides through is probably not the smartest or safest way to handle things

 

[Red Rick]

Provoking a riot at the finish line right before the peloton rides through is probably not the smartest or safest way to handle things

Blocking the road of a bicycle race is probably not the smartest or safest way to handle things.

 

[hrotha]

Blocking the road of a bicycle race is probably not the smartest or safest way to handle things.

Maybe, but the police can't do whatever and then justify itself by saying "they started it mom". If the proposed course of action only makes things worse then it only serves a sadistic urge to see people you disagree with getting hurt

 

[Red Rick]

Maybe, but the police can't do whatever and then justify itself by saying "they started it mom". If the proposed course of action only makes things worse then it only serves a sadistic urge to see people you disagree with getting hurt

So let me get this straight, I simply turn around your logic that actions have consequences, and you instantaneously start throwing the word 'sadism' around.

So the whole "people you disgree with" seems to be pure projection to me. If anything, you're showing complete tolerance to normally unacceptable behavior simply because you agree with them politically.

Ironic really

 

[hrotha]

So let me get this straight, I simply turn around your logic that actions have consequences, and you instantaneously start throwing the word 'sadism' around.

So the whole "people you disgree with" seems to be pure projection to me. If anything, you're showing complete tolerance to normally unacceptable behavior simply because you agree with them politically.

Ironic really

What are you even talking about. I merely said if the police starts beating a large group of determined people right before the peloton rides through they'll only make things worse because A RIOT WILL BREAK OUT THEN AND THERE, then you were like "don't care, want them beaten regardless"

 

[Pippo_San]

@Pippo_San

Out of curiosity what pisses you more, the protest per se or the fact now all parties involved will need to deal with it, as it obviously isn't going away and won't get resolve by itself?

Both actually.
What's worse is the compliancy of the organizers.
Ridiculous.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Normally the way to go would be a riot breaking out and then people being beaten, not the other way around. I doubt it would be a solution if the Police would just beat anyone who looks suspicious. It would also be highly illegal.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Provoking a riot at the finish line right before the peloton rides through is probably not the smartest or safest way to handle things

It was in reference to today's stage, not yesterday

 

[red_flanders]

What are you even talking about. I merely said if the police starts beating a large group of determined people right before the peloton rides through they'll only make things worse because A RIOT WILL BREAK OUT THEN AND THERE, then you were like "don't care, want them beaten regardless"

Not that RR can't speak for himself, but to state the obvious, he didn't say anything remotely like that.

 

[aphronesis]

Probably you should have stopped after the first phrase. Cheers.

All the hallmarks of a free, open society. Blocking the breakaway earlier was probably unnecessary.

 

[Netserk]

Maybe, but the police can't do whatever and then justify itself by saying "they started it mom". If the proposed course of action only makes things worse then it only serves a sadistic urge to see people you disagree with getting hurt

You don't approach a repeated encounter as if it's a one-off. But yes, the police should have been better prepared so they could more credibly respond with overwhelming force.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

In the Tour the french police gives you a whack with their baton if you run to close to the riders. Here the Spanish police doesn't even use them when you're blocking the road...

There was very clear footage of a woman getting a baton thwack on the back of the legs on stage 5 (was it 5? Where there were a few protesters in the road on a corner)
Edit: stage 10

 

[hrotha]

It was in reference to today's stage, not yesterday

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Moderator mode on

For the last time, this thread is about how roadside protests might be handled or avoided. Identifying support for, or opposition to, any particular cause of protest will be considered political discussion, and will draw a ban.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Moderator mode on

For the last time, this thread is about how roadside protests might be handled or avoided. Identifying support for, or opposition to, any particular cause of protest will be considered political discussion, and will draw a ban.

IMO, roadside protests are probably best handled by addressing the issue causing them.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

IMO, roadside protests are probably best handled by addressing the issue causing them.

Not in this forum they are not.

There are countless places on the internet suitable for any of us to express our political positions: this is not one of them.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Not in this forum they are not.

There are countless places on the internet suitable for any of us to express our political positions: this is not one of them.

That post was apolitical. How do you resolve any problem? You address the cause. Of course, if discussion of the cause is off-limits then discussion of the resolution becomes rather pointless. Anyway, I'll let you all have at it, I don't think I can add anything on this thread.

 

[Netserk]

How do you resolve any problem? You address the cause.

Glasses do not address the cause of myopia.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Glasses do not address the cause of myopia.

Leaving aside the inapposite nature of the analogy, that's why our solutions to myopia didn't stop with the invention of glasses.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Leaving aside the inapposite nature of the analogy, that's why our solutions to myopia didn't stop with the invention of glasses.

Weird last words…

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

There was very clear footage of a woman getting a baton thwack on the back of the legs on stage 5 (was it 5? Where there were a few protesters in the road on a corner)

Must've missed that, I was alluding to today's incident at the start of the Angliru.
Thanks!

 

[kingjr]

Must've missed that, I was alluding to today's incident at the start of the Angliru.
Thanks!

Someone was thwacked with a baton today as well, as per the footage.

 

[proffate]

Not in this forum they are not.

There are countless places on the internet suitable for any of us to express our political positions: this is not one of them.

It's a political opinion to call something political. "Political" implies that both sides of a debate are valid and that reasonable people could disagree. But clearly there are some debates, such as, "should we enslave Canadians?", that do not fit this description.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It's a political opinion to call something political. "Political" implies that both sides of a debate are valid and that reasonable people could disagree. But clearly there are some debates, such as, "should we enslave Canadians?", that do not fit this description.

Any regulation can be undermined by such reductio ad absurdum. This is not legislation that is going to have life changing repercussions, so does not need to be constructed in watertight terms.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

A certain Israeli person just tweeted about the team on X. That's probably not going to calm things down...