Michielveedeebee said:Jup you've said it all, there's no way they'll win TdF not as long as Conta and Andy are around.
Don't see them winning it if those two didn't race..
Michielveedeebee said:Jup you've said it all, there's no way they'll win TdF not as long as Conta and Andy are around.
Moose McKnuckles said:Yeah, that's why he didn't attack today or try hard in the TT. Whatever.![]()
eleven said:Oh, I don't know about that. I suspect their sponsors are quite happy with the ATOC.
erader said:there's a big doubt in my mind if RS will even be at the tour and if they are i think they will be demoralized and hardpressed to get one man in the top 10.
ed rader
saganftw said:i consider 3rd,4th and 9th place overall hardly a "fail",its not like they didnt try brajkovic was very active,just didnt work out ,two other riders were better in GC
what i see as a problem is that they are getting too old to do something,LA,levi and horner (kloden,zubeldia too) they are all declining naturaly and brajkovic with popo are underachievers,they should look at liquigas and bring some new fresh riders (with no doping allegation)
isayic said:I think that RS doesn't want to win. Winners are always tested. And the cut in Armstrong's face ,I think, was smaller thant it looked. The solution is artificial blood. Because of beeing accused of doping Lance wanted to leave the race and was in need of "plausible" reason.
I'm an illustrator and would say that the blood looks partly faked.
isayic said:I think that RS doesn't want to win. Winners are always tested. And the cut in Armstrong's face ,I think, was smaller thant it looked. The solution is artificial blood. Because of beeing accused of doping Lance wanted to leave the race and was in need of "plausible" reason.
I'm an illustrator and would say that the blood looks partly faked.
erader said:phil said during today's coverage that bruyneel said that armstrong's was stitched up in the team bus. i'm not saying i agree with you but if armstrong didn't have his elbow x-rayed at a hospital i might say you are on to something.
ed rader
isayic said:I think that RS doesn't want to win. Winners are always tested. And the cut in Armstrong's face ,I think, was smaller thant it looked. The solution is artificial blood. Because of beeing accused of doping Lance wanted to leave the race and was in need of "plausible" reason.
I'm an illustrator and would say that the blood looks partly faked.
SpartacusRox said:Also I don't recall Garmin winning much in their first year but noone seems to be whining about that now!
Timmy-loves-Rabo said:Garmin didn't have the same hype, funds, or big riders... not to mention they didn't get automatic entry into the PT without ever riding a single race![]()
When comparing, try to consider all the variables.
Timmy-loves-Rabo said:Garmin didn't have the same hype, funds, or big riders... not to mention they didn't get automatic entry into the PT without ever riding a single race![]()
When comparing, try to consider all the variables.
SpartacusRox said:Well entry into the PT was based on the quality of riders in the team so wheres the big deal there? How many races did Sky win before getting an automatic entry??
Hype and funds have little to do with it plus there are always variables in any race. Crashes etc can always conspire against any team. If every team that tagetted a race and didnt win it are failures then they all must be because it has happened to most if not all pro teams. On that logic Saxo were a fail team at last years tdf because Andy did not win. Its just a stupid argument levelled at one team because some people dont like that team.
Cozy Beehive said:I would give them a tad bit more credit when it comes to teamwork during races. The team points speak for themselves. Whenever I have looked, Radioshack was higher in team classification pts than say, Astana.
SpartacusRox said:You perhaps missed a couple of relevent details: He also said it required seven stitches and was done by a doctor. I think the doctor would have recognised fake blood.
Of course he is probably on the RS payroll...Oh were does this dastardly conspiracy end!!?
Of course it may have been just: The guy crashed, a doctor examined him in the bus, stitched up his eye there, end of story... Nah just doesn't have the intrigue does it!![]()
flicker said:hey I want Lance to win. If you do not like Phil give him a call. You guys are on the same level in cycling verdad? It was in Levis interest not to win the ToC this year. On many different levels. The race belonged to Rodgers. Goood on em.
According to Yaroslav Popovych, they're currently riding 'for a team in 2011'. Not everything is rosy at the Shack.SpartacusRox said:They will bring in new riders over the next couple of years. Taylor Phinney is obviously their main protege and I can see him in the team next year. Jesse Sergeant is also likely to move up into RS and these two kids are real talent.
They have big money and given the uncertainty over sponsorship of several teams for next year there will be plenty of riders around looking for contracts.
Also I don't recall Garmin winning much in their first year but noone seems to be whining about that now!
Cerberus said:So you think that RS faked a crash, LA then with lightning reflexes reach into his pocket to grab some artificial blood and smear it on his face in a somewhat credible manner while using his secret training as a conjurer to conceal it from the spectators who are presumably watching?
SpartacusRox said:Also I don't recall Garmin winning much in their first year but noone seems to be whining about that now!
flicker said:It was in Levis interest not to win the ToC this year. On many different levels.
Galic Ho said:Tried finding the latest standing but the UCI website is crap.
eleven said:Oh, I don't know about that. I suspect their sponsors are quite happy with the ATOC.
flicker said:hey I want Lance to win. If you do not like Phil give him a call. You guys are on the same level in cycling verdad? It was in Levis interest not to win the ToC this year. On many different levels. The race belonged to Rodgers. Goood on em.