Rank the 2011 teams

[auscyclefan94]

From strongest to weakest, rank all the teams 2011 lineups

TEAM SAXO BANK
LIQUIGAS-DOIMO
ASTANA
RABOBANK
TEAM KATUSHA
HTC
GARMIN - CERVELO
OP LOTTO
MOVISTAR
BMC RACING TEAM
TEAM RADIOSHACK
EUSKALTEL
LAMPRE-ISD
SKY
QUICK STEP
ANDRONI
AG2R LA MONDIALE
EUROPCAR
COFIDIS
VACANSOLEIL
FDJ
GEOX
TEAM LUXEMBOURG
PEGASUS

You can also use this thread to discuss who should get protour licenses based on your rankings of all the teams.

 

[adamski101]

wouldn't it be best to wait until all the teams for next year have been confirmed? Lux haven't confirmed their final line up. Pegasus have not released any names for a while. I think before the final rosters are confirmed it would be difficult to rank the teams with any degree of certainity.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Are we in Punxsutawney or what ?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10778

 

[Dutchsmurf]

As said earlier, this is a bit pointless as long as we don't have the final rosters. Riders like Cancellara (who goes to Lux, we all know, but...) and Pellizotti can make a big difference on the strength of a team. And just as important, Contador...

 

[washedup]

Does Lux have motors or no? We should probably set our assumptions.

 

[The Hitch]

All right, Ill go first

1 HTC
2 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO
3 LAMPRE-ISD
4 GARMIN - CERVELO
5 TEAM LUXEMBOURG
6 GEOX
7 MOVISTAR
8 EUSKALTEL
9 RABOBANK
10 OP LOTTO
11 ASTANA
12 BMC RACING TEAM
13 VACANSOLEIL
14 TEAM KATUSHA
15 QUICK STEP
16 TEAM RADIOSHACK
17 AG2R LA MONDIALE
18 TEAM SAXO BANK
19 SKY
20 EUROPCAR
21 COFIDIS
22 FDJ
23 ANDRONI
24 PEGASUS

 

[auscyclefan94]

As said earlier, this is a bit pointless as long as we don't have the final rosters. Riders like Cancellara (who goes to Lux, we all know, but...) and Pellizotti can make a big difference on the strength of a team. And just as important, Contador...

Just assume that Cancellara is going to Luxembourg, Contador will be with nobody and pellizotti will be nowhere. Anyway, here is my list.

OP LOTTO
GARMIN - CERVELO
LIQUIGAS
TEAM LUX
RABOBANK
HTC
BMC
SKY
GEOX
EUSKALTEL
MOVISTAR
VACANSOLEIL
RADIOSHACK
SAXO BANK
QUICKSTEP
ASTANA
KATUSHA
AG2R
EUROPCAR
COFIDIS
FDJ
ANDRONI
PEGASUS

 

[The Hitch]

Just assume that Cancellara is going to Luxembourg, Contador will be with nobody and pellizotti will be nowhere. Anyway, here is my list.

OP LOTTO
GARMIN - CERVELO
LIQUIGAS
TEAM LUX
RABOBANK
HTC
BMC
SKY
GEOX
EUSKALTEL
MOVISTAR
VACANSOLEIL
RADIOSHACK
SAXO BANK
QUICKSTEP
ASTANA
KATUSHA
AG2R
EUROPCAR
COFIDIS
FDJ
ANDRONI
PEGASUS

Lampre is missing from this list. And they have one amazing grand tour and hilly classics team. where do you rate them ACF?

 

[theyoungest]

Lampre is missing from this list. And they have one amazing grand tour and hilly classics team. where do you rate them ACF?

Scarponi as their main GC threat... wow, amazing Naming them as the 3d strongest team is just bullocks.

 

[The Hitch]

Scarponi as their main GC threat... wow, amazing Naming them as the 3d strongest team is just bullocks.

Visconti is my pick for most underated rider in the peloton. Very high hopes for him next season.

Cunego is an awesome classics specialist. Big threat for Ardennes AND Lombardia. Former gt winner no less

Pettachi has a good chance MSR, and maybe worlds + GT stages. He is the TDF mv.

Kashechkin has potential for a gc guy / superdomestiqe

Any one of those 4 guys right there would be easily able to lead a pt team. And yet, neither of those will be the Lampre leader, because theres someone, EVEN better. ANd the best thing is, every one of these guys can easily switch from leader to super domestique without any trouble.

I have high hopes for Bole (great performance last year) and our reigning Romandie champ. Still young. Just imagine the hype if Gesink managed to pull of a Swiss stage race

Sinkewitz coming back, Hondo doing his thing

And of course, the man himself. I picked him as a favourite for the Giro the second Basso decided to look elsewhere and the course was announced. He was the 2nd best (only lost time on the Zonc) in the mountains last year, will have a great team with him this time though.

Everyone other gt guy is either going for the Tour, which they cant win while Schleck is there, or is unsure which gt to target.

Michele on the other hand is decided, 100% focused, going for his home Gt, in his kind of terrain, against a slightly lesser field than the Tour. Id say if i could choose anyone for a gt podium next year, Scarponi would 100% be my pick.

So how many teams have as many strong leaders as Lampre? HTC and Garmin. I dont rate Lux as high as everyone, and i dont see Breschel or Fuglsang stepping up.

 

[roundabout]

Huh, Visconti is going to Lampre

ditto for Sinkewitz



I thought they were going to ride for Farnese Vini

 

[pmcg76]

Just assume that Cancellara is going to Luxembourg, Contador will be with nobody and pellizotti will be nowhere. Anyway, here is my list.

OP LOTTO
GARMIN - CERVELO
LIQUIGAS
TEAM LUX
RABOBANK
HTC
BMC
SKY
GEOX
EUSKALTEL
MOVISTAR
VACANSOLEIL
RADIOSHACK
SAXO BANK
QUICKSTEP
ASTANA
KATUSHA
AG2R
EUROPCAR
COFIDIS
FDJ
ANDRONI
PEGASUS

BMC 7th, good joke. How do they get from one of the worst teams to 7th by signing Moinard, Santaromita, Quinziato, Van Aevermert, Phinney. Most of those guys are support riders, Van Avermert needs to improve quickly and Phinney aint gonna do that much. Maybe you meant 7th from the bottom where you have Astana/ AG2R. Seriously the rest of your list aint bad based on the team rosters to date but as usual your Cadel obsession is distorting your view.

 

[roundabout]

i'm more in awe how Katusha can go from 4th best this year to 17th when they basically only lost McEwen

 

[pmcg76]

i'm more in awe how Katusha can go from 4th best this year to 17th when they basically only lost McEwen

I thought the same but wasnt sure of the comings and goings at Katusha so let it slide. Maybe he got Katusha and BMC mixed up, although its ACF so unlikely.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Lampre is missing from this list. And they have one amazing grand tour and hilly classics team. where do you rate them ACF?

Between HTC and Rabobank...

BMC 7th, good joke. How do they get from one of the worst teams to 7th by signing Moinard, Santaromita, Quinziato, Van Aevermert, Phinney. Most of those guys are support riders, Van Avermert needs to improve quickly and Phinney aint gonna do that much. Maybe you meant 7th from the bottom where you have Astana/ AG2R. Seriously the rest of your list aint bad based on the team rosters to date but as usual your Cadel obsession is distorting your view.

-Geox have no classics riders or a sprinter
-Euskaltel have an alright hilly classics team but no cobbles team or sprinter
-Movistar no gc rider and in the bigger hilly classics they only have sanchez
-Vacansoleil doesn't have a gc rider as quality as evans, bmc's cobbled classics team would be slightly better
- Radioshack don't have a classics team and leipheimer and horner are too inconsistent in stage races. Steegmans is also questionable in his sprinting ability.
- Saxobank, with contador gone they don't have an overly strong gt/stage race contender and their classics team is totally diminished.
- Quickstep don't really have a hilly classics team nor a gc rider at all.
- Astana, there gc rider is still developing but don't have cobbled classics team.
- Katusha, probably should me much higher, my bad.

The teams below that probably don't need explanation of why they are there.

OP LOTTO
GARMIN - CERVELO
LIQUIGAS
TEAM LUX
RABOBANK
LAMPRE - ISD
KATUSHA
HTC
SKY
BMC
GEOX
EUSKALTEL
MOVISTAR
VACANSOLEIL
RADIOSHACK
SAXO BANK
QUICKSTEP
ASTANA
AG2R
EUROPCAR
COFIDIS
FDJ
ANDRONI
PEGASUS

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Visconti is my pick for most underated rider in the peloton. Very high hopes for him next season.

Cunego is an awesome classics specialist. Big threat for Ardennes AND Lombardia. Former gt winner no less

Pettachi has a good chance MSR, and maybe worlds + GT stages. He is the TDF mv.

Kashechkin has potential for a gc guy / superdomestiqe

Any one of those 4 guys right there would be easily able to lead a pt team. And yet, neither of those will be the Lampre leader, because theres someone, EVEN better. ANd the best thing is, every one of these guys can easily switch from leader to super domestique without any trouble.

I have high hopes for Bole (great performance last year) and our reigning Romandie champ. Still young. Just imagine the hype if Gesink managed to pull of a Swiss stage race

Sinkewitz coming back, Hondo doing his thing

And of course, the man himself. I picked him as a favourite for the Giro the second Basso decided to look elsewhere and the course was announced. He was the 2nd best (only lost time on the Zonc) in the mountains last year, will have a great team with him this time though.

Everyone other gt guy is either going for the Tour, which they cant win while Schleck is there, or is unsure which gt to target.

Michele on the other hand is decided, 100% focused, going for his home Gt, in his kind of terrain, against a slightly lesser field than the Tour. Id say if i could choose anyone for a gt podium next year, Scarponi would 100% be my pick.

So how many teams have as many strong leaders as Lampre? HTC and Garmin. I dont rate Lux as high as everyone, and i dont see Breschel or Fuglsang stepping up.

this is hardly a 3rd strongest team. Unless this is the clutching at straws list... cause that's basically this is?
I also struggle to see how euskatel (I seriously cannot understand this... Were talking whole teams.. not a couple of euskatels best rider vs the couple of best riders elsewhere) and even geox and movistar (best list of domestiques maybe) can possibly list higher than rabobank. And katusha is way to low.
lol @ bmc being 7th.

1 TEAM LUXEMBOURG
2 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO
3 RABOBANK
4 GARMIN - CERVELO
5 HTC
6 TEAM KATUSHA
7 OP LOTTO
8 LAMPRE-ISD
9 GEOX
10 MOVISTAR
11 EUSKALTEL
12 SKY
13 TEAM SAXO BANK
14 BMC RACING TEAM
15 VACANSOLEIL
16 QUICKSTEP
17 TEAM RADIOSHACK
and yeah the rest are more or less pretty close.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

-Geox have no classics riders or a sprinter
-Euskaltel have an alright hilly classics team but no cobbles team or sprinter
-Movistar no gc rider and in the bigger hilly classics they only have sanchez
-Vacansoleil doesn't have a gc rider as quality as evans, bmc's cobbled classics team would be slightly better
- Radioshack don't have a classics team and leipheimer and horner are too inconsistent in stage races. Steegmans is also questionable in his sprinting ability.
- Saxobank, with contador gone they don't have an overly strong gt/stage race contender and their classics team is totally diminished.
- Quickstep don't really have a hilly classics team nor a gc rider at all.
- Astana, there gc rider is still developing but don't have cobbled classics team.
- Katusha, probably should me much higher, my bad.

Funny how most of the teams that were disqualified for having a BAD classics team, had much more classics wins and placements than BMC this year only.

But ah well, my original mistake was in looking for any trace of logic in acf's post, i get it now.
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[skidmark]

-Movistar no gc rider and in the bigger hilly classics they only have sanchez

Which Sanchez is that? LuisLe moved to Rabo, and Sammy is still with Euskaltel as far as I know.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Funny how most of the teams that were disqualified for having a BAD classics team, had much more classics wins and placements than BMC this year only.

But ah well, my original mistake was in looking for any trace of logic in acf's post, i get it now.

People make the mistake at just looking at wins. You have fallen into that trap.


But we'll go on your logic...

-geox don't have a record but by the look of their list, their classics team is non existent and don't really have a sprinter.
-euskaltel, no classics victories.
- movistar (nee Caisse d epargne) no classics victories
- vacansoleil, won the semi classic KBK with traksel who has now left them so you can't count that because we are talking about 2011
- radioshack, no classics victories
- saxobank, no classics victories
- quickstep, no classics victories
- astana, Vino won LBL and Iglinsky won MPE (which i would count)
- Katusha, no classics victories

-bmc, 1 classic victory, evans at fleche wallonne!

(going on 2011 list)

Never say my logic does not work when yours is clearly wrong or not properley researched!

 

[theyoungest]

Visconti is my pick for most underated rider in the peloton. Very high hopes for him next season.

Cunego is an awesome classics specialist. Big threat for Ardennes AND Lombardia. Former gt winner no less

Pettachi has a good chance MSR, and maybe worlds + GT stages. He is the TDF mv.

Kashechkin has potential for a gc guy / superdomestiqe

Any one of those 4 guys right there would be easily able to lead a pt team. And yet, neither of those will be the Lampre leader, because theres someone, EVEN better. ANd the best thing is, every one of these guys can easily switch from leader to super domestique without any trouble.

I have high hopes for Bole (great performance last year) and our reigning Romandie champ. Still young. Just imagine the hype if Gesink managed to pull of a Swiss stage race

Sinkewitz coming back, Hondo doing his thing

And of course, the man himself. I picked him as a favourite for the Giro the second Basso decided to look elsewhere and the course was announced. He was the 2nd best (only lost time on the Zonc) in the mountains last year, will have a great team with him this time though.

Everyone other gt guy is either going for the Tour, which they cant win while Schleck is there, or is unsure which gt to target.

Michele on the other hand is decided, 100% focused, going for his home Gt, in his kind of terrain, against a slightly lesser field than the Tour. Id say if i could choose anyone for a gt podium next year, Scarponi would 100% be my pick.

So how many teams have as many strong leaders as Lampre? HTC and Garmin. I dont rate Lux as high as everyone, and i dont see Breschel or Fuglsang stepping up.

Visconti won't ride for Lampre. Neither will Sinkewitz. Farnese Vini is a different team, as of next season.

So in terms of team leaders, it's just this year's Lampre with Scarponi added to it. Not that spectacular, if you ask me.

 

[nobilis]

From strongest to weakest, rank all the teams 2011 lineups

Rank in terms of what? We cannot quantify everything. Cycling is not an exact science. Plus, there are many criteria and parameters that should be taken into consideration. There are teams that win classics, teams that focus on GTs, other team that focus on sprints, hence they have the most number of wins (HTC) but not necessarily being the strongest team. So I don't think it will help in anything to rank the teams. This is my opinion.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

People make the mistake at just looking at wins.

Yet you do count wins.

Epic fail indeed.

Moviestar have Lulu.
Euskaltel have Sanchez.
Astana in addition to Iglinsky and Vino have Gasparotto (3rd place Amstel).

Saxobank and Quickstep. Yeah, they're rubbish as classics teams. Your words not mine, hehe.

And acf being well, acf, of course missed that i said "wins and placements".
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[Sydney21]

1. GARMIN - CERVELO (Hejadel, Vande Velde, Farrrar, Hushovd, Haussler and Martin)
2. OP LOTTO (Greipel, Gilbert, Van den broek)
3. TEAM LUX (Schlecks Spartacus??)
4. MOVISTAR (Plaza, Tondo, Soler, Bruseghin, Arroyo)
5. LIQUIGAS (Basso Nibali Sagan)
6. SKY (Flecha Wiggins Rogers EBH)
7. LAMPRE - ISD (Scarponi, Cunego, Pottachi)
8. RABOBANK (Gesink, Freire, LLS)
9. ASTANA (Kreuziger, Vino)
10. HTC (Cav, Goss - Pinotti and Velits won't do that well)
11. BMC (Evans, Hincapie)
12. KATUSHA (Rodriguez, Pozzato)
13. GEOX (Menchov Sastre)
14. VACANSOLEIL (Ricco Leukmans Devolder)
15. AG2R (Roche, Peraud, Gadret, Hinault)
16. EUSKALTEL (Sanchez, Anton, Nieve)
17. QUICKSTEP (Boonen Chavenel Ciolek)
18. SAXO BANK (Contador Porte Nguens)
19. FDJ (Fredrigo Casar)
20. EUROPCAR (Voekler)
21. COFIDIS (Moncutie)
22. PEGASUS (McEwen)
23. ANDRONI (Rujano?, Sella)

 

[nobilis]

Yet you do count wins.

Moviestar have Lulu.

Rabobank, not Movistar have Lulu

 

[auscyclefan94]

Visconti won't ride for Lampre. Neither will Sinkewitz. Farnese Vini is a different team, as of next season.

So in terms of team leaders, it's just this year's Lampre with Scarponi added to it. Not that spectacular, if you ask me.

I guess that changes things a bit. Are Farnese Vini going to be a pro conti team?

rxgqgxnyfz, yet Lulu is going to Rabobank! I am talking about next year! I was counting on wins because your logic was to go on classics victories and yet you were still wrong. You cannot see the obvious of how wrong you were and how much little research you did.

So epic fail for you sir!