The Tour and Giro climbs are more comparable. La Vuelta climbs are steeper and shorter and for that reason we get these higher power outputs per kilogram.Some power comparisons between the GTs this year
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The Tour and Giro climbs are more comparable. La Vuelta climbs are steeper and shorter and for that reason we get these higher power outputs per kilogram.Some power comparisons between the GTs this year
I would love to see how the wattage was split up. I suspect the Astana pace + MAL attacks were wayyy too much in the first half of the climb.Also power on the penultimate climb on stage 20. Really shows that everyone was cooked.
You really think Carapaz would be the sole leader beside Valverde in this kind of form? Also Quintana will hardly acknowledge Carapaz as the leader.Only 6.5
Lack of Carapaz (so movistar could not establish their leader until its too late) and Dumoulin (who could be more dangerous to Roglic than the group of lightweight climbers)
Lack of properly designed H.Alt mountain stages in the third week
You really think Carapaz would be the sole leader beside Valverde in this kind of form? Also Quintana will hardly acknowledge Carapaz as the leader.
I would've loved to see Carapaz and Landa as well, all four of them debating who is the leader of Movistar.
Feel Carapaz is basically impossible to judge. He basically maximised his gains beyond expectation on the 2 days he was the strongest, then didn't have to show his hand on the Mortirolo. I don't buy that he could've flown away from everyone everywhere, and rolling ITTs are terrible.You really think Carapaz would be the sole leader beside Valverde in this kind of form? Also Quintana will hardly acknowledge Carapaz as the leader.
That route really would have suited him though. Thing is, I'm still not actually convinced roglic is an absolute gt superpower. He got fourth in last years tour behind two guys who rode the giro the same season and now he won a vuelta with a super weak field. The only gt he rode for the win where he had rivals and where I'm quite certain I can more or less evaluate how strong they were, he peaked too early and didn't look all that strong (in that sense we also don't know yet how much him dropping actually had to do with peaking too early). I think someone like Nibali could have put up quite a fight. Don't know whether he would have beaten him but I doubt roglic could have dominated him.All in all I think Simon Yates and Dumoulin are probably the big what ifs here, if Yates hadn't done the Tour. I don't really believe in Nibali for a Vuelta anymore.
Also power on the penultimate climb on stage 20. Really shows that everyone was cooked.
Yes. I see that as a possibilityYou really think Carapaz would be the sole leader beside Valverde in this kind of form?
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It can simply just be really hard to take a climbing referenc for Roglic. For ITTs I'd put him between Dumoulin and Froome.That route really would have suited him though. Thing is, I'm still not actually convinced roglic is an absolute gt superpower. He got fourth in last years tour behind two guys who rode the giro the same season and now he won a vuelta with a super weak field. The only gt he rode for the win where he had rivals and where I'm quite certain I can more or less evaluate how strong they were, he peaked too early and didn't look all that strong (in that sense we also don't know yet how much him dropping actually had to do with peaking too early). I think someone like Nibali could have put up quite a fight. Don't know whether he would have beaten him but I doubt roglic could have dominated him.
Very small possibility if you ask me. Valverde is icon of the team, and Quintana is well known for not standing even co-leaders, let alone a sole leader (not named Valverde). He even asked from Unzue to bring Carapaz to the Tour as a helper.Yes. I see that as a possibility
Agree that Carapaz is difficult to judge. He probably was the strongest at the Giro this year but the mind games between Nibali and Roglic are an asterisk IMO.Feel Carapaz is basically impossible to judge. He basically maximised his gains beyond expectation on the 2 days he was the strongest, then didn't have to show his hand on the Mortirolo. I don't buy that he could've flown away from everyone everywhere, and rolling ITTs are terrible.
Basically the Giro was the perfect storm for him. I doubt he goes much harder than Roglic/Pog/MAL on the respective climbs and I also doubt he loses less than 2 minutes in the TTs. Obviously in hindsight there is a huge echelons variable but I don't see him winning. And with him riding crits without team permission a Schleck lite performance isn't out of question for me.
We'll see what he does next year presumably in the Giro.
I don't think he was the strongest outright, first four were evenly matched imo. He had the strongest team though, and he had stars aligned for him this time.Agree that Carapaz is difficult to judge. He probably was the strongest at the Giro this year but the mind games between Nibali and Roglic are an asterisk IMO.
I saw it as an excellent opportunist win rather than an outright strength win.
And how exactly Carapaz won the Giro? He attacked 30km to go on stage 14; and that succeeded and payed off.What the Vuelta needed was a climber who could attack from further out i.e Nibali or Bernal
Don't think Valverde (or Unzue) would have wanted to shoot himself after two podium spots for the team including 3rd Valverde position.Very small possibility if you ask me. Valverde is icon of the team, and Quintana is well known for not standing even co-leaders, let alone a sole leader (not named Valverde). He even asked from Unzue to bring Carapaz to the Tour as a helper.
There's no need to ask for people who were not available. What the Vuelta needed was Astana not pulling the day of the echelons and Bora not pulling for Roglic when Valverde attacked in Peña Negra. Why ask for more if you can make do with less?What the Vuelta needed was a climber who could attack from further out i.e Nibali or Bernal
I already did. In the Vuelta rate thread.Now compare Giro and Vuelta routes.