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Rate the 2023 Vuelta a España!

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The organisation embarrassed themselves with some awful course decisions. Then the péloton embarrassed themselves getting perfectly safe finishes neutralised only to place the finish somewhere more dangerous. Then there were some dreadful sprint finish plans that were probably only survived without worse accidents because the sprinting field was dreadful. The GC battle was neutralised pretty much until the end of week 1 except for the Javalambre stage, and the only really memorable things that we can take out of the whole thing were Remco crashing into the staffer after the line in Andorra and the GC men soft-pedalling their way in on stage 9 after the finish was moved halfway down the mountain and the ridiculous scene of Fernando Escartín hanging from a gate trying to take the times past a random spot on the road.

This all happened before the Jumbo show began. Once the Jumbo show began, it basically rendered everybody else entirely irrelevant. And then, as I've described many times already, the only possibility that remained for an actual race was between the teammates; and somehow they contrived to do something worse than provide no action: they gave us a little taste of action, then got scared of bad PR when it looked like the guy that the media wanted to win wouldn't, and took that action away, getting themselves into a catch 22 where they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't; they made it clear that Kuss wouldn't have won had they not imposed a ceasefire, but they also basically thereby ended the race four days early, leaving the rest of the race a miserable pseudo-neutralisation. The people that campaigned on Twitter, Instagram, Youtube etc. were happy to trade four days of racing (and would have been willing to trade more because they were upset about there being actual racing on Bejes and Angliru) for the feelgood moment at the end.

I can't vote higher than a zero for this, because even if the rider that benefitted from the popularity contest wasn't a rider I dislike so clearly, the way the race was settled is absolutely miserable and sets an awful precedent for the sport, both in terms of the one team dominating so easily that they could afford to hand out Grand Tour titles to their domestiques like consolation prizes, and in terms of the "we did it, Reddit!" way of the team allowing themselves to be pressured by PR into deciding who is and isn't allowed to win the race. And even before that, the fundamental organiser foul-ups and the péloton being able to dictate which parts of the course they would race on and which they wouldn't and the complete mess of those stages with the GC men riding in at tourist pace while racing was officially still on was just a complete farce.

From a racing point of view it was better than the Giro, but some of the things that have happened at this Vuelta have potential long-term repercussions that really concern me for the future of the sport.

i originally voted 5 but after reading this I have to agree, it should get the lowest possible score. i really only enjoyed it because my favorite rider won the two most prestigious stages.
 
So @Red Rick rated this Vuelta higher than over two-thirds of the forum (at the time of posting). If you'd told me that before the race started, it would have surprised me even more than if you'd told me Kuss was going to win...
Petulant Whiners United needs to have a board meeting about my membership during my suspension without pay
 
I'm now quite sure this year was better than 2018. So it's at least a 2.

Was it better than 2015? It suffered from featuring Purito and all that entails. Still, it was a very satisfying finish. Also a plus that the lead changed multiple times between the main contenders. So this year doesn't surpass it.

Was it better than last year? That's a harder one. Very different qualities. I'm flipping back and forth on this one. For now, I'm landing on no.

No other Vueltas were bad enough to compare this one with, so the final verdict is 2.
 
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I'll give it 5. A standard intra-team competition for victory was finished in the 2nd week. Remco was eliminated, others weren't strong enough and JV riders were toying with the rest. However, JV team dynamics and drama added to the rating surely! It's something we've never seen before.
 
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Meh, 0 is way too low. Two of the mountain stages were really good and Angliru was Angliru, pretty damn interesting as always. That and Remco extravaganza (he's more entertaining than Vino, come on now) was enough for me to put it at 3/10, and thats already a lot better than the Giro.
 
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I'm now quite sure this year was better than 2018. So it's at least a 2.

Was it better than 2015? It suffered from featuring Purito and all that entails. Still, it was a very satisfying finish. Also a plus that the lead changed multiple times between the main contenders. So this year doesn't surpass it.

Was it better than last year? That's a harder one. Very different qualities. I'm flipping back and forth on this one. For now, I'm landing on no.

No other Vueltas were bad enough to compare this one with, so the final verdict is 2.

2015 was fine, even if the mountain stages at the end of the 2nd week were underwhelming, they were still intriguing due to Dumoulin doing the "heavy TT guy losing time but not enough to be out of contention" act. and then the last mountain stage was fantastic. much better than this year.

last year was worse for sure I think. the GC race ended on stage 16 then, at least it went until stage 18 this year.
 
2015 was fine, even if the mountain stages at the end of the 2nd week were underwhelming, they were still intriguing due to Dumoulin doing the "heavy TT guy losing time but not enough to be out of contention" act. and then the last mountain stage was fantastic. much better than this year.

last year was worse for sure I think. the GC race ended on stage 16 then, at least it went until stage 18 this year.
I can be persuaded to rank it above last year's edition and then give this one a 3.

Is that the general sentiment, that this edition was better than last year's edition?
 
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I'm now quite sure this year was better than 2018. So it's at least a 2.

Was it better than 2015? It suffered from featuring Purito and all that entails. Still, it was a very satisfying finish. Also a plus that the lead changed multiple times between the main contenders. So this year doesn't surpass it.

Was it better than last year? That's a harder one. Very different qualities. I'm flipping back and forth on this one. For now, I'm landing on no.

No other Vueltas were bad enough to compare this one with, so the final verdict is 2.
2015 Vuelta was good I'll fight people on that. It's literally one block of 3 consecutive stages that was bad. Unless you wanna consider the final mountain stage bad as well just because it was over from one moment to the next.

Similarly, by the logic that this Vuelta was terrible because GC was uncompetitive, 2017 was awful as well. All 2017 had going for it was Contador going full yolo mode but most stages his attacks were going absolutely nowhere
 
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2015 Vuelta was good I'll fight people on that. It's literally one block of 3 consecutive stages that was bad. Unless you wanna consider the final mountain stage bad as well just because it was over from one moment to the next.

Similarly, by the logic that this Vuelta was terrible because GC was uncompetitive, 2017 was awful as well. All 2017 had going for it was Contador going full yolo mode but most stages his attacks were going absolutely nowhere
2017 GC could have taken a different turn if Froome had not drawn upon puff assistance after losing time to Nibali in Los Machucos.
 
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So @Red Rick rated this Vuelta higher than over two-thirds of the forum (at the time of posting). If you'd told me that before the race started, it would have surprised me even more than if you'd told me Kuss was going to win...
In terms of inciting the Forum this was the best GT of the year!
In terms of inciting fandom this was the best GT of the year!
In terms of actual racing this was the best GT of the year.

Not because my favorite rider won or the NEXT BIG THING overcame challenges or the LAST BIG THING didn't win the Tour; it was good because more people actually watched the races. That would include the lying liars that said they didn't and couldn't name the last races the rider they dislike won.
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I wouldn’t say Merckx didn’t chase stages and KoM when he won 64 GT stages, 6 points classification, and 3 KoM classifications. Now what Merckx did do was chase all that while in GC contention.
Meh, you're knit picking...but seriously, about the KOM quest, Merckx never went for it as a goal like Remco obviously did: Merckx won, it just happened. It was part of the bag.

But again, we'll never know. Merckx never finished 148th at 14'16" in a GT...
 
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