Reactions from the peloton

[Dear Wiggo]

When it's 45 degrees outside he should be glad they send him up the Tourmalet, that way he can cool off a bit. On a flat the temperature might have got to him eventually and he might have lost it

i find your post offensively dismissive.

 

[manafana]

Rubiera said he never saw Armstrong dope. Also Ferrari is a great coach.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rubiera-i-never-saw-armstrong-dope

He must not of been on the team bus in 2004 when it was supposedly broke down and the hole team had blood transfusions then.

total cringe that lad complete idiot or still feeling the after affects of all his own doping

 

[Cloxxki]

I don't know where best to put this but...

Kelvin Dekker's twitter

Sure, maybe dad was the sole clean rider in the peloton. And able to outsprint said peloton in a finale to complete a long getaway. I can't help but be sceptical. No-one rides for a doped up team, then become manager for said doped up team, and be so silent about having been clean all along.
Another rider's kid in for a hard landing...

 

[Racelap]

Stephen Roche: Cycling Has Moved on From Drug-Tainted Past
"Former Tour de France winner Stephen Roche has said he believes cycling has moved on from doping scandals of the past, despite damaging revelations about US rider Lance Armstrong that have rocked the sport.

“Cycling has come along a lot since 1999 (when Armstrong won his first Tour). Maybe it got worse before getting better in the early 2000s but definitely in 2010, 2011, 2012 … cycling has come on an awful lot,” the Irishman said.

2010 TdF winner popped for doping
2011 Giro winner popped for doping
2012 Franck Schleck popped for doping

SO FRESH AND SO CLEAN

 

[thehog]

CADEL Evans will help lead cycling through its darkest hour, but will address the sport's doping crisis on his own terms and in his own time, his Australian manager says.

Jason Bakker said yesterday that he had been in regular contact with the untainted 2011 Tour de France winner, who will return to Australia from Europe in coming weeks in professional road cycling's off-season.

''Putting our obvious relationship aside, I have never met a more principled person. I've never met a person who holds his values so dearly to him,'' Mr Bakker said.

''And for that very reason I think Cadel has an enormous role to play in cycling, but I think he's been playing that role for some time.''


http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...sis-his-way-20121020-27yjf.html#ixzz29r6P0vwJ

 

[mastersracer]

CADEL Evans will help lead cycling through its darkest hour, but will address the sport's doping crisis on his own terms and in his own time, his Australian manager says.

Jason Bakker said yesterday that he had been in regular contact with the untainted 2011 Tour de France winner, who will return to Australia from Europe in coming weeks in professional road cycling's off-season.

''Putting our obvious relationship aside, I have never met a more principled person. I've never met a person who holds his values so dearly to him,'' Mr Bakker said.

''And for that very reason I think Cadel has an enormous role to play in cycling, but I think he's been playing that role for some time.''


http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycl...sis-his-way-20121020-27yjf.html#ixzz29r6P0vwJ

The history any rider should be proud of:

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=123

 

[ElChingon]

Contador:

http://www.supersport.com/cycling/i...t_should_move_on_after_Armstrong_caseContador

We need a thread dedicated to all the current riders who want to forget the past, I wonder why they all want to erase it?

Any rider who wants to forget the past should be required to erase all past wins and winnings into the proceeds to future doping tests. I mean they all want to forget the past so badly and concentrate on the future why not put it all on the line?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Voight

Jens Voigt ‏@thejensie
And yes, went to @LIVESTRONG diner on Saturday, yes i was there, but trying to separate the innocent idea of the charity from all that crap

Jens Voigt ‏@thejensie
When i said crap than i meant all the lying and all the bad things some people did in the past and its payback time for them now

 

[summerhill]

@laurenstendam
I am rereading the statement of the bank. I do not agree with their statement that this sport is not be able to become clean and fair.

And he's dropped the livestrong band on his profile pic which was there on Friday. Cottoning on.

 

[Benotti69]

Voight is full of sh!t

Jens Voigt ‏@thejensie

Its soo easy to critizise everything, do it better first and then come and show us the right way, act first and then critizise.

do it better? If LeMond couldn't do it better (winning against epo) then how can anyone come and show them the right way?

Jens is denying that Festina was to show doping as the wrong way? That Rough Ride was the wrong way? That Willy Voet's book was the wrong way?

Jeez Jens, you really do come across as a total idiot.

 

[hrotha]

Voight is full of sh!t



do it better? If LeMond couldn't do it better (winning against epo) then how can anyone come and show them the right way?

Jens is denying that Festina was to show doping as the wrong way? That Rough Ride was the wrong way? That Willy Voet's book was the wrong way?

Jeez Jens, you really do come across as a total idiot.

He's talking specifically about Livestrong as a charity in that tweet.

 

[PCutter]

Contador:

http://www.supersport.com/cycling/i...t_should_move_on_after_Armstrong_caseContador

Yes. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Bruyneell obviously halted the doping system at the team in 2005 and re-started it in 2010. AC certainly wasn't considered worthy of a friendly chat with Johan

 

[virandociclista]

Oleg Tinkov (@olegtinkov) tweetou às 1:18pm - Out 21 12:

Cycling will be better now without Bryneel,Armstrong and other cheaters.We all knew they doped.Now cycling need to get rid of UCI management (https://twitter.com/olegtinkov/status/260052445936381953



Enviado via iPad

 

[Adamastor]

Tony Martin - congratulates USADA's action

Tony Martin on his website:

http://www.tony-martin.de/aktuelles/286-die-junge-generation-hat-eine-chance-verdient.html

"...Die Aufarbeitung dieses systematischen Dopings ist richtig und wichtig für den Radsport..."

The dealing with systematic doping is right and important for cycling.

Please note the terminology "Aufarbeitung" has a specific meaning, and often used in German in relationship with "dealing with the past and come clean", as with Nazi times or East Germany times.

 

[Epicycle]

Boonen speaks:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boonen-only-lance-can-end-the-current-doubt-in-cycling

Pretty funny, coming from the guy who put Museeuw to shame with his 50km Roubaix solo last spring.

 

[thehog]

More quotes from that interview on Sporza here where he talks about Levi also:

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2012/10/2...talks-to-sporza-about-lance-levi-cav-and-hein

He comes out and says USADA are full of crap. Boonen is an idiot.

No he's not saying USADA is full of crap. What he's saying everyone including USADA acting all "holy" is full of crap. ie everyone pretending to be "pristine" and "god like" etc.

He admits that Lance is full of crap and is prolonging the entire mess.

I think he's comments are good. Take Michael Barry for example. All of sudden after lying for years he's become like Vaughters over night! What the? He's suggesting breakaway leagues and how to clean up the sport etc.

Thats what Bonnen is talking about.

 

[hrotha]

He has a point about that but he's also spouting the same nonsense about all of this being in the past and having nothing to do with them. On the other hand:

USADA is also exaggerating. They're also pretending like they're the holiest business in the entire world right now, and they're also full of crap.

This sounds a bit too much like all the talk I've heard from certain fans about those who want clean cycling being hypocrites because who hasn't ever cheated in their lives? Right? Well, no, that's not right. That's full of crap. This is at a completely different level compared to what normal people do. This is sporting fraud, drug trafficking and large scale tax evasion. USADA is not claiming to be God's own antidoping agency. They're just doing their job.

 

[ValleyFlowers]

Vuelta champ speaks out on Armstrong saga

Another in the 'look forward' camp.

Contador says the sport must look to the future

 

[Zweistein]

Another in the 'look forward' camp.

Contador says the sport must look to the future

Isn't that a little unfair to him. He wasn't saying that happened 10 years ago like the others and we should just keep moving.

 

[Tinman]

Oleg Tinkov (@olegtinkov) tweetou às 1:18pm - Out 21 12:

Cycling will be better now without Bryneel,Armstrong and other cheaters.We all knew they doped.Now cycling need to get rid of UCI management (https://twitter.com/olegtinkov/status/260052445936381953

Enviado via iPad

This is the most interesting recent twitter conversation for me. Sven Spoormakers is on to it.

 

[DominicDecoco]

The man is hilarious. You can't take that away from him.

Riis is, as we speak, reacting like this to Tinkov:

 

[hiero2]

No he's not saying USADA is full of crap. What he's saying everyone including USADA acting all "holy" is full of crap. ie everyone pretending to be "pristine" and "god like" etc.

He admits that Lance is full of crap and is prolonging the entire mess.

I think he's comments are good. Take Michael Barry for example. All of sudden after lying for years he's become like Vaughters over night! What the? He's suggesting breakaway leagues and how to clean up the sport etc.

Thats what Bonnen is talking about.

Hog - do you speak Dutch? Can you listen to the actual interview and translate it for us? PodiumCafe quotes Boonen like this:
"All this stuff has already been told, it's just put together in one big file now. And it's... USADA is also exaggerating. They're also pretending like they're the holiest business in the entire world right now, and they're also full of crap."

CN quotes the Boonen interview like this: Boonen ". . . was never a fan of Armstrong but maintained that the importance of USADA had also been exaggerated. . . . 'They see themselves now as the most sacred bean of the world, while they only talk nonsense', he said."

He has a point about that but he's also spouting the same nonsense about all of this being in the past and having nothing to do with them. On the other hand:

This sounds a bit too much like all the talk I've heard from certain fans about those who want clean cycling being hypocrites because who hasn't ever cheated in their lives? Right? Well, no, that's not right. That's full of crap. This is at a completely different level compared to what normal people do. This is sporting fraud, drug trafficking and large scale tax evasion. USADA is not claiming to be God's own antidoping agency. They're just doing their job.

I agree with hrotha on this. I have not seen anything that looks like USADA or Tygart is trying to grab any credit or making any god-like pronouncements or anything. They did their job, wrote a paper, properly backed it up and validated it. What's supposed to be god-like? We've been begging for somebody to do this for YEARS. Now it finally happens, and we want to say they acted god-like? Feet of clay god, maybe? Well, maybe, after all, since they did a right good golem's job of it. By that I mean thorough and workmanlike.

I also agree that Boonen sounds terribly like an apologist. "Everybody is clean now" - when Ashenden is telling us he thinks 30% of the GT winners are still doping. Ashenden: from 2008 to today, 30% of podium finishers are implicated in doping.


I'm going to take this to task a bit also:

. . .Take Michael Barry for example. All of sudden after lying for years he's become like Vaughters over night! What the? He's suggesting breakaway leagues and how to clean up the sport etc. . .

We've seen the omerta at work. Velonews just extensively quoted a Mr. Anonymous "Pro Peloton Rider" - who isn't ready to reveal who he is. Afraid of the fallout.

So Barry is outed, and now he speaks up. Isn't that understandable? It certainly fits the pattern! We keep complaining about guys that don't talk until they get busted, and at the same time we want people to talk.

We've got conversations going in the right direction. Remember how bad it was when Floyd finally 'fessed up. There wasn't much open conversation back then. Sure, forum conversations - but I mean conversations that get news coverage. Barry gets news coverage. You and I don't (at least, I think you don't. I KNOW I don't).

And the more people we have voting, any way they can, by speaking out or whatever, for an overhaul of the UCI or even an outright new league is putting pressure on the process to make something happen in the right direction.

 

[Carols]

No he's not saying USADA is full of crap. What he's saying everyone including USADA acting all "holy" is full of crap. ie everyone pretending to be "pristine" and "god like" etc.

He admits that Lance is full of crap and is prolonging the entire mess.

I think he's comments are good. Take Michael Barry for example. All of sudden after lying for years he's become like Vaughters over night! What the? He's suggesting breakaway leagues and how to clean up the sport etc.

Thats what Bonnen is talking about.

With or without cocaine????

 

[skidmark]

This is the most interesting recent twitter conversation for me. Sven Spoormakers is on to it.

Man. Oleg Tinkov is an amazing trainwreck. We simultaneously need more and fewer people like him in cycling.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Man. Oleg Tinkov is an amazing trainwreck. We simultaneously need more and fewer people like him in cycling.

Kicking dead or dying pariahs is a popular past-time for lots of people at the moment.

Personally, I think anyone coming out publicly like this, at this present time, speaking strong words, should be put on a list. Any slip up in the future and they should get a life-time ban.