Reactions from the peloton

[Dear Wiggo]

Sometimes i am ashamed at my fellow countrymen

We're all in that boat mate, never fear.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Can't help myself. Apologies. I probably even got my timeline wrong.

http://gerard.cc/2012/10/15/the-future/#comment-2957

 

[hrotha]

Nice to see Joe Papp has completely dropped the act now.

 

[cineteq]

I am impressed by Barry's comments and yet again he pulls in the UCI and 'sport image protection' plus very valid comments regarding an over zealous points system and proportionatly long racing season. Despite his back ground his comments are real world based and very valid.

I'm not really impress actually. He now wants to save the world, and few weeks ago here in Montreal, he didn't do a speech or hinted anything when he had the opportunity. To me, he's just a politician in the making.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Ohhhhh riiiiiight.

So the season is too long, except for squeaky clean Team Sky. There's lots of people doping a little bit but the clean riders are dominating them all season long.

Man. Something doesn't sound right in all this.

what are you talking about? sky faded hard in the end of this season. froome is an excellent example. how do you compare this to us epostal and how they after an incredible tour would still thrash the vuelta?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm not really impress actually. He now wants to save the world, and few weeks ago here in Montreal, he didn't do a speech or hinted anything when he had the opportunity. To me, he's just a politician in the making.

he knew the raport was going to come out. was was he supposed to say and who would've believed him at that time? this is michael baryr for **** sake, not armstrong talking

 

[cineteq]

he knew the raport was going to come out. was was he supposed to say and who would've believed him at that time? this is michael baryr for **** sake, not armstrong talking

exactly the point, who does he think he is?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/barry-calls-for-changes-in-pro-road-cycling

 

[hrotha]

what are you talking about? sky faded hard in the end of this season. froome is an excellent example. how do you compare this to us epostal and how they after an incredible tour would still thrash the vuelta?

Like when Landis wore the gold jersey, only to fade in the third week and end up abandoning? Or like when Heras was outdone by Leipheimer, who hadn't done the Tour?

 

[cineteq]

Does anybody know to whom this tweet is address to?

Dany Pate:
"Most real role models don't go around telling people they r role models, so I thought I would name a couple I have seen in cycling. Kirk Willett, Brice Jones, Jonas Carney, John Tomac, Alex Candelario, Jim Copeland, Jeremy Powers, Evelyn Stevens, Svein Tuft, John Peters, Randy Whicker, Clark Sheehan, Burke Swindlehurst . You have anymore names?"

 

[Dear Wiggo]

what are you talking about? sky faded hard in the end of this season. froome is an excellent example. how do you compare this to us epostal and how they after an incredible tour would still thrash the vuelta?

Yeah all those 1 times they thrashed the Vuelta, while juiced to the gills. In 2003.

2003 USPS victories:

28/09/2003 [ESP] HERAS HERNANDEZ Roberto GT [Esp] Vuelta a España
27/09/2003 [ESP] HERAS HERNANDEZ Roberto GTs [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 20 : San Lorenzo de El Escorial - Alto de Abantos I.T.T.
23/08/2003 [RUS] EKIMOV Viatcheslav 2.1 [Ned] Ronde van Nederland
21/08/2003 [RUS] EKIMOV Viatcheslav 2.1s [Ned] Ronde van Nederland, Stage 4 : Nordhorn - Denekamp I.T.T.
15/08/2003 [NED] VAN HEESWIJK Max 2.3s [Fra] Tour de l'Ain, Stage 4 : Bellegarde-sur-Valserine - Culoz
27/07/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance GT [Fra] Tour de France
21/07/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance GTs [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 15 : Bagnères-de-Bigorre - Luz-Ardiden
9/07/2003 [Usa] US Postal Service presented by Berry Floor GTs [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 4 : Joinville - Saint-Dizier T.T.T.
29/06/2003 [LUX] JOACHIM Benoît NC4 [Lux] National Championships Luxembourg R.R.
26/06/2003 [NOR] KJAERGAARD Steffen NCT3 [Nor] National Championships Norway (Sandnes) I.T.T.
15/06/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance 2.HC [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré
11/06/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance 2.HCs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Stage 3 : Saint-Paul-en-Jarez - Saint-Héand I.T.T.
8/03/2003 [COL] PEÑA GRISALES Victor Hugo 2.3s [Esp] Vuelta a Murcia - Costa Calida, Stage 4 : Cartagena - Alto de La Santa

2012 Team Sky victories:

27/09/2012 [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto 1.HC [Ita] Gran Piemonte
16/09/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Gbr] Tour of Britain, Stage 8 : Reigate - Guildford
12/09/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Gbr] Tour of Britain, Stage 4 : Carlisle - Blackpool
11/09/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Gbr] Tour of Britain, Stage 3 : Jedburgh - Dumfries
9/09/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter 1.WT2 [Can] GP de Montréal
9/09/2012 [GBR] ROWE Luke 2.1s [Gbr] Tour of Britain, Stage 1 : Ipswich - Norfolk
2/09/2012 [GBR] DOWSETT Alex NCT2 [Gbr] National Championships Great Britain (Hose) I.T.T.
26/08/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.HCs [Den] Post Danmark Rundt - Tour of Denmark, Stage 6 : Slagelse - Frederiksberg
26/08/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 1.WT2 [Fra] GP Ouest France - Plouay
24/08/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter 2.HCs [Den] Post Danmark Rundt - Tour of Denmark, Stage 3 : Silkeborg - Vejle
1/08/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley WCTT [Gbr] Olympic Games (London) - I.T.T.
22/07/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley GT1 [Fra] Tour de France
22/07/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 20 : Rambouillet - Paris
21/07/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 19 : Bonneval - Chartres I.T.T.
20/07/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 18 : Blagnac - Brive-la-Gaillarde
14/07/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.WTs [Pol] Tour de Pologne, Stage 5 : Rabka Zdroj - Zakopane
11/07/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.WTs [Pol] Tour de Pologne, Stage 2 : Walbrzych - Opole
9/07/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 9 : Arc-et-Senans - Besançon I.T.T.
7/07/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 7 : Tomblaine - La Planche des Belles Filles
2/07/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 2 : Visé (Bel) - Tournai (Bel)
24/06/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald NC3 [Nor] National Championships Norway (Asane) R.R.
24/06/2012 [GBR] STANNARD Ian NC2 [Gbr] National Championships Great Britain (Ampleforth) R.R.
17/06/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1 [Ned] Ster ZLM Tour
10/06/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WT [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné
7/06/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné, Stage 4 : Villié-Morgon - Bourg-en-Bresse I.T.T.
6/06/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WTs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné, Stage 3 : Givors - La Clayette
27/05/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.HC [Ger] Bayern-Rundfahrt
26/05/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.HCs [Ger] Bayern-Rundfahrt, Stage 4 : Feuchtwangen - Feuchtwangen I.T.T.
24/05/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.HCs [Ger] Bayern-Rundfahrt, Stage 2 : Penzberg - Kempten
20/05/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.1 [Nor] Tour of Norway
19/05/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.1s [Nor] Tour of Norway, Stage 4 : Hamar - Lillehammer
18/05/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT2s [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 13 : Savona - Cervere
10/05/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT2s [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 5 : Modena - Fano
6/05/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT2s [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 2 : Herning - Herning
29/04/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WT [Sui] Tour de Romandie
29/04/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Romandie, Stage 5 : Crans-Montana - Crans-Montana I.T.T.
25/04/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Romandie, Stage 1 : Morges - La Chaux-de-Fonds
24/04/2012 [GBR] THOMAS Geraint 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Romandie, Prologue : Lausanne I.T.T.
22/03/2012 [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto 2.WTs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 4 : Tremp - Asco
11/03/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WT [Fra] Paris - Nice
11/03/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Fra] Paris - Nice, Stage 8 : Nice - Col d'Eze I.T.T.
9/03/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WTs [Ita] Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 3 : Indicatore - Terni
8/03/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.WTs [Ita] Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 2 : San Vincenzo - Indicatore
26/02/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 1.1 [Bel] Kuurne - Brussel - Kuurne
19/02/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie 2.1 [Por] Volta ao Algarve
19/02/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.1s [Por] Volta ao Algarve, Stage 5 : Lagoa - Portimao I.T.T.
17/02/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie 2.1s [Por] Volta ao Algarve, Stage 3 : Castro Marim - Loule/Alto do Malhao
16/02/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.1s [Por] Volta ao Algarve, Stage 2 : Faro - Lagoa
9/02/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.HCs [Qat] Tour of Qatar, Stage 5 : Camel Race Track - Al Khor Corniche
7/02/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.HCs [Qat] Tour of Qatar, Stage 3 : Dukhan - Al Gharafa Stadium
7/02/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter 1.1 [Esp] Trofeo Deia

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Like when Landis wore the gold jersey, only to fade in the third week and end up abandoning? Or like when Heras was outdone by Leipheimer, who hadn't done the Tour?

landis got sick in that vuelta. not even doping helps then I guess. heras outdone by leipheimer? 2001 you mean? they were in same team. don't know reasons of heras fading though. in general us epostal would ride incredibly well at the vuelta and sky didn't exactly. or have before. they started doping this year all of a sudden??

 

[bangnz]

landis got sick in that vuelta. not even doping helps then I guess. heras outdone by leipheimer? 2001 you mean? they were in same team. don't know reasons of heras fading though. in general us epostal would ride incredibly well at the vuelta and sky didn't exactly. or have before. they started doping this year all of a sudden??

sick.. or a bad bb

 

[Dear Wiggo]

2003 USPS 2nd places:

14/10/2003 [NED] VAN HEESWIJK Max 1.3 [Bel] Nationale Sluitingprijs - Putte-Kapellen
6/09/2003 [Usa] US Postal Service presented by Berry Floor GTs [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 1 : Gijon T.T.T.
21/08/2003 [COL] PEÑA GRISALES Victor Hugo 2.1s [Ned] Ronde van Nederland, Stage 4 : Nordhorn - Denekamp I.T.T.
18/07/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance GTs [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 12 : Gaillac - Cap'Découverte I.T.T.
22/06/2003 [ESP] HERAS HERNANDEZ Roberto 2.HC [Esp] Volta a Catalunya
22/06/2003 [USA] HINCAPIE George 2.HCs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 7 : Sant Joan Despí - Barcelona
21/06/2003 [ESP] HERAS HERNANDEZ Roberto 2.HCs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 6 : Molins De Rei - Vallvidriera
16/06/2003 [Usa] US Postal Service presented by Berry Floor 2.HCs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 1 : Salou - Vilaseca T.T.T.
12/06/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance 2.HCs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Stage 4 : Vienne - Morzine
9/03/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance 2.3s [Esp] Vuelta a Murcia - Costa Calida, Stage 5 : Murcia I.T.T.
1/03/2003 [NED] VAN HEESWIJK Max 1.1 [Bel] Omloop Het Volk
23/02/2003 [COL] PEÑA GRISALES Victor Hugo 2.3 [Por] Volta ao Algarve
22/02/2003 [COL] PEÑA GRISALES Victor Hugo 2.3s [Por] Volta ao Algarve, Stage 4 : Guia - Albufeira
19/02/2003 [CAN] BARRY Michael 2.3s [Por] Volta ao Algarve, Stage 1 : Tavira - Tavira

2012 Team Sky 2nd places:

30/09/2012 [GBR] DOWSETT Alex 1.1 [Fra] Duo Normand
[GBR] ROWE Luke
30/09/2012 [ESP] FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio 2.1 [Bel] Eurométropole Tour - Circuit Franco-Belge
23/09/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald WCRR [Ned] World Championships (Maastricht - Valkenburg) R.R.
10/09/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Gbr] Tour of Britain, Stage 2 : Nottingham - Knowsley
8/09/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 20 : La Faisanera - Bola del Mundo
6/09/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 18 : Aguilar de Campoo - Valladolid
25/08/2012 [GBR] THOMAS Geraint 2.HCs [Den] Post Danmark Rundt - Tour of Denmark, Stage 5 : Kerteminde I.T.T.
23/08/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 6 : Tarazona - Jaca
5/08/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.HC [Esp] Vuelta a Burgos
5/08/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.HCs [Esp] Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 5 : Revenga - Lagunas de Neila
2/08/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.HCs [Esp] Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 2 : Burgos - Burgos
1/08/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.HCs [Esp] Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 1 : Miranda de Ebro - Ojo Guareña
28/07/2012 [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto WCRR [Gbr] Olympic Games (London) - R.R.
24/07/2012 [ITA] APPOLLONIO Davide 2.HCs [Bel] Tour de Wallonie, Stage 4 : Huy - Oreye
22/07/2012 [ITA] APPOLLONIO Davide 2.HCs [Bel] Tour de Wallonie, Stage 2 : Binche - Mettet
22/07/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT1 [Fra] Tour de France
21/07/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 19 : Bonneval - Chartres I.T.T.
19/07/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 17 : Bagnères-de-Luchon - Peyragudes
16/07/2012 [AUS] HAYMAN Mathew 2.WTs [Pol] Tour de Pologne, Stage 7 : Krakow - Krakow
15/07/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.WTs [Pol] Tour de Pologne, Stage 6 : Bukowina Tatrzanska - Bukowina Tatrzanska
13/07/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.WTs [Pol] Tour de Pologne, Stage 4 : Bedzin - Katowice
9/07/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 9 : Arc-et-Senans - Besançon I.T.T.
3/07/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 3 : Orchies - Boulogne-sur-Mer
30/06/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Prologue : Liège (Bel) I.T.T.
24/06/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter NC3 [Nor] National Championships Norway (Asane) R.R.
24/06/2012 [GBR] DOWSETT Alex NC2 [Gbr] National Championships Great Britain (Ampleforth) R.R.
23/06/2012 [CAN] BARRY Michael NC3 [Can] National Championships Canada (Lac-Mégantic) R.R.
21/06/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald NCT3 [Nor] National Championships Norway (Rong) I.T.T.
16/06/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Ned] Ster ZLM Tour, Stage 3 : Verviers (Bel) - La Gileppe/Jalhay (Bel)
15/06/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Ned] Ster ZLM Tour, Stage 2 : Nuth/Schimmert - Nuth/Schimmert
14/06/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Suisse, Stage 6 : Wittnau - Bischofszell
10/06/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.WT [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné
3/06/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.HCs [Lux] Tour de Luxembourg, Stage 4 : Mersch - Luxembourg
3/06/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné, Prologue : Grenoble I.T.T.
1/06/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.HCs [Lux] Tour de Luxembourg, Stage 2 : Schifflange - Leudelange
31/05/2012 [ITA] APPOLLONIO Davide 2.HCs [Lux] Tour de Luxembourg, Stage 1 : Luxembourg - Hesperange
27/05/2012 [GBR] THOMAS Geraint GT2s [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 21 : Milano - Milano I.T.T.
26/05/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie 2.HCs [Ger] Bayern-Rundfahrt, Stage 4 : Feuchtwangen - Feuchtwangen I.T.T.
24/05/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark GT2s [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 18 : San Vito di Cadore - Vedelago
18/05/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.1s [Nor] Tour of Norway, Stage 3 : Lillestrøm - Elverum
5/05/2012 [GBR] THOMAS Geraint GT2s [Ita] Giro d'Italia, Stage 1 : Herning I.T.T.
24/03/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.HCs [Fra] Critérium International, Stage 2 : Porto-Vecchio I.T.T.
23/03/2012 [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto 2.WTs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 5 : Asco - Manresa
4/03/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Fra] Paris - Nice, Stage 1 : Dampierre - Chevreuse I.T.T.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

2003 USPS 3rd places:

21/09/2003 [ESP] HERAS HERNANDEZ Roberto GTs [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 15 : Valdepeñas - Sierra de la Pandera
14/09/2003 [RUS] EKIMOV Viatcheslav 1.3 [Usa] T-Mobile International / San Francisco GP
12/09/2003 [ESP] BELTRAN MARTINEZ Manuel GTs [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 7 : Huesca - Cauterets (Cambasque)
29/07/2003 [RUS] MIKHAILOV Guennadi 2.3s [Bel] Tour de la Région Wallonne, Stage 2 : Waterloo - Nivelles
26/07/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance GTs [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 19 : Pornic - Nantes I.T.T.
13/07/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance GTs [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 8 : Sallanches - L'Alpe d'Huez
29/06/2003 [NED] VAN HEESWIJK Max NC2 [Ned] National Championships Netherlands (Rotterdam) R.R.
17/06/2003 [USA] HINCAPIE George 2.HCs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 2 : Mora D'Ebre - El Morell
8/06/2003 [USA] ARMSTRONG Lance 2.HCs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, Prologue : Villard-de-Lans I.T.T.
25/04/2003 [USA] CRUZ Antonio 2.3s [Usa] Tour de Georgia, Stage 3 : Pine Mountain - Rome
13/04/2003 [RUS] EKIMOV Viatcheslav CDM [Fra] Paris - Roubaix
26/03/2003 [NED] VAN HEESWIJK Max 1.2 [Bel] Dwars door Vlaanderen - Waregem
23/02/2003 [NED] VAN HEESWIJK Max 1.3 [Fra] Classic Haribo

2012 Team Sky 3rd places:

13/10/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WT [Chn] Tour of Beijing
13/10/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WTs [Chn] Tour of Beijing, Stage 5 : Chang Ping - Ping Gu
11/10/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WTs [Chn] Tour of Beijing, Stage 3 : Men Tou Gou - Badaling Great Wall
9/10/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WTs [Chn] Tour of Beijing, Stage 1 : Tian An Men Square - Bird’s Nest
29/09/2012 [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto 1.WT1 [Ita] Il Lombardia
5/09/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 17 : Santander - Fuente Dé
31/08/2012 [ESP] FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 13 : Santiago de Compostela - Ferrol
29/08/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 11 : Cambados - Pontevedra I.T.T.
20/08/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 3 : Faustino V - Eibar (Arrate)
19/08/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben GT2s [Esp] Vuelta a España, Stage 2 : Pamplona - Viana
3/08/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.HCs [Esp] Vuelta a Burgos, Stage 3 : Santo Domingo de Silos - Lerma
1/08/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris WCTT [Gbr] Olympic Games (London) - I.T.T.
25/07/2012 [ITA] APPOLLONIO Davide 2.HCs [Bel] Tour de Wallonie, Stage 5 : Welkenraedt - Perwez
19/07/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 17 : Bagnères-de-Luchon - Peyragudes
16/07/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.WT [Pol] Tour de Pologne
16/07/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.WTs [Pol] Tour de Pologne, Stage 7 : Krakow - Krakow
14/07/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 13 : Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux - Le Cap d’Agde
12/07/2012 [GBR] FROOME Chris GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 11 : Albertville - La Toussuire-Les Sybelles
7/07/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 7 : Tomblaine - La Planche des Belles Filles
1/07/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald GT1s [Fra] Tour de France, Stage 1 : Liège (Bel) - Seraing (Bel)
21/06/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter NCT3 [Nor] National Championships Norway (Rong) I.T.T.
16/06/2012 [ESP] FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio 2.1s [Ned] Ster ZLM Tour, Stage 3 : Verviers (Bel) - La Gileppe/Jalhay (Bel)
14/06/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.1s [Ned] Ster ZLM Tour, Stage 1 : Eindhoven - Sittard/Geleen
13/06/2012 [ITA] PUCCIO Salvatore 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Suisse, Stage 5 : Trimbach-Olten - Gansingen
11/06/2012 [GBR] SWIFT Ben 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Suisse, Stage 3 : Martigny - Aarberg
7/06/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.WTs [Fra] Critérium du Dauphiné, Stage 4 : Villié-Morgon - Bourg-en-Bresse I.T.T.
3/06/2012 [ITA] APPOLLONIO Davide 2.HCs [Lux] Tour de Luxembourg, Stage 4 : Mersch - Luxembourg
20/05/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter 2.1 [Nor] Tour of Norway
19/05/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter 2.1s [Nor] Tour of Norway, Stage 4 : Hamar - Lillehammer
16/05/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.1s [Nor] Tour of Norway, Stage 1 : Sandefjord - Tønsberg
29/04/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Romandie, Stage 5 : Crans-Montana - Crans-Montana I.T.T.
24/04/2012 [GBR] CAVENDISH Mark 2.WTs [Sui] Tour de Romandie, Prologue : Lausanne I.T.T.
5/04/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 2.WTs [Esp] Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 4 : Eibar - Bera de Bidasoa (Alto de Ibardin)
3/04/2012 [ITA] APPOLLONIO Davide 2.WTs [Esp] Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 2 : Gueñes - Vitoria-Gasteiz
25/03/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael 2.HC [Fra] Critérium International
25/03/2012 [NOR] NORDHAUG Lars Petter 2.HCs [Fra] Critérium International, Stage 3 : Porto Vecchio - Col de l’Ospedale
23/03/2012 [AUT] EISEL Bernhard 1.WT2 [Bel] E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke
20/03/2012 [COL] URAN URAN Rigoberto 2.WTs [Esp] Volta a Catalunya, Stage 2 : Girona - Girona
8/03/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.WTs [Fra] Paris - Nice, Stage 5 : Onet-le-Chateau - Mende
25/02/2012 [ESP] FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio 1.HC [Bel] Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
19/02/2012 [GBR] WIGGINS Bradley 2.1 [Por] Volta ao Algarve
19/02/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie 2.1s [Por] Volta ao Algarve, Stage 5 : Lagoa - Portimao I.T.T.
10/02/2012 [ESP] FLECHA GIANNONI Juan Antonio 2.HC [Qat] Tour of Qatar
7/02/2012 [COL] HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 1.1 [Esp] Trofeo Deia
6/02/2012 [Gbr] Sky Professional Cycling Team 2.HCs [Qat] Tour of Qatar, Stage 2 : Lusail T.T.T.
19/01/2012 [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 2.WTs [Aus] Tour Down Under, Stage 3 : Unley - Victor Harbour
10/01/2012 [AUS] ROGERS Michael NCT2 [Aus] National Championships Australia (Ballarat) I.T.T.
8/01/2012 [AUS] PORTE Richie NC2 [Aus] National Championships Australia (Buninyong) R.R.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I see what you mean. They really faded bad towards the end of the season. Hopeless. No way are they keeping their PT license.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

ST Millar.

St millar the repentnent.

http://www.supersport.com/cycling/i...016/Dopers_should_repent_before_return_Millar

Dopers should repent before return - Millar

 

[pastronef]

@Ty_Hamilton Hey Tyler, can you follow me? I'd like to send you a direct message! Ciao!

let's what Phinney has to say to Hamiilton

http://mobile.twitter.com/taylorphinney/status/257581747062059008?p=v

 

[hrotha]

@Ty_Hamilton Hey Tyler, can you follow me? I'd like to send you a direct message! Ciao!

let's what Phinney has to say to Hamiilton

http://mobile.twitter.com/taylorphinney/status/257581747062059008?p=v

He just did an interview with Shane Stokes. Looking forward to reading it.

 

[cineteq]

Horner says he ‘never’ saw doping on Bruyneel teams
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/horner-says-he-never-saw-doping-on-bruyneel-teams_261673

 

[msjett]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/greenedge-owner-says-sport-has-moved-on-20121016-27p4k.html

Found this this morning....I don't know what I was expecting, but I am mighty tired of riders, team managers etc quoting "that was 10 years ago" or '"the sport has moved on" - clearly it hasn't or we wouldn't be here discussing it....

 

[Der Effe]

what are you talking about? sky faded hard in the end of this season. froome is an excellent example. how do you compare this to us epostal and how they after an incredible tour would still thrash the vuelta?

So funny to see you desperately defending Sky from any 'attack' only because they have two Colombians on board. You're Dutch man, grow up and get a life.

 

[Merckx index]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/horner-says-he-never-saw-doping-on-bruyneel-teams_261673

Chris Horner sees no evil, hears no evil, speaks no evil. "I never saw anything unbelievable." Like a 40 year old cyclist suddenly a player in GTs?

Thinks it's a great time for your kid to become a bike racer.

Asked why his name hasn’t come up at all in regard to the USADA case, Horner laughed.

“’Cause I wasn’t teammates with those guys, I guess,” he said.

 

[Lukenwolf]

to me voigt was always doped in his 2004-2006 csc years. I'll never forget those ridiculous tour of germany's with him outclimbing leipheimer, ullrich and such

You know, this is probably the biggest damage that Armstrong and his ridiculous doping scheme have done to the sport. Now every rider has been doped, no matter what.

Did Jens dope? Possible. Did he not dope? Just as possible as well. How can we know? We don't have proof. Jens at least has shown something that many dopers didn't display. Whenever he pulled one of those crazy attacks, he usually rode complete crap for one or to days afterwards. Remember that one time, where he rode into the yellow jersey at the tour with a crazy-**** attack? Next day he was so spent, he didn't make the time cut and had to abandon. That hardly sounds like someone, who recharges with "the oil".

Also, using his two Deutschland-Tour wins as an example for doping is utterly ridiculous. The Deuschland-Tour always had exactly one mountain finish and the rest were mainly sprinters stages or time trials and the mountains were always rather modest in contrast to the tour. The Deutschland-Tour hase rarely seen cat 1's, let alone HC mountains. Jens has always been know for being able to do decently on a single medium mountain stage on sheer power, usually costing him next day. He won in 2006 and 2007. The KOM winner in '06 had 20 points, so it wasn't exactly a romp through the Alps. In 2007 there was also only one half-arsed mountain stage - the rest was flat and Jens won because his team won the TTT, he only lost 11 secs on the mountain stage and then won the (shortish) ITT. He's always done well in short to medium length ITTs.

Does that prove he didn't dope? No. Neither does it prove he did. What I give him credit for, however, is that his achievements never looked unbelievable, like that crazy-**** "comeback" Floyd Landis staged, when he "won" the tour.

I don't like it that all riders are now labelled cheaters. I find that unfair toward the few, who didn't do the juice. Maybe he did ****, but there is not much in the way of proof, so we shouldn't label everybody a cheat, only because Armstrong and his cronies were.

 

[the delgados]

You know, this is probably the biggest damage that Armstrong and his ridiculous doping scheme have done to the sport. Now every rider has been doped, no matter what.

Did Jens dope? Possible. Did he not dope? Just as possible as well. How can we know? We don't have proof. Jens at least has shown something that many dopers didn't display. Whenever he pulled one of those crazy attacks, he usually rode complete crap for one or to days afterwards. Remember that one time, where he rode into the yellow jersey at the tour with a crazy-**** attack? Next day he was so spent, he didn't make the time cut and had to abandon. That hardly sounds like someone, who recharges with "the oil".

Also, using his two Deutschland-Tour wins as an example for doping is utterly ridiculous. The Deuschland-Tour always had exactly one mountain finish and the rest were mainly sprinters stages or time trials and the mountains were always rather modest in contrast to the tour. The Deutschland-Tour hase rarely seen cat 1's, let alone HC mountains. Jens has always been know for being able to do decently on a single medium mountain stage on sheer power, usually costing him next day. He won in 2006 and 2007. The KOM winner in '06 had 20 points, so it wasn't exactly a romp through the Alps. In 2007 there was also only one half-arsed mountain stage - the rest was flat and Jens won because his team won the TTT, he only lost 11 secs on the mountain stage and then won the (shortish) ITT. He's always done well in short to medium length ITTs.

Does that prove he didn't dope? No. Neither does it prove he did. What I give him credit for, however, is that his achievements never looked unbelievable, like that crazy-**** "comeback" Floyd Landis staged, when he "won" the tour.

I don't like it that all riders are now labelled cheaters. I find that unfair toward the few, who didn't do the juice. Maybe he did ****, but there is not much in the way of proof, so we shouldn't label everybody a cheat, only because Armstrong and his cronies were.

In a recent interview with the CBC, Michael Barry said that he knew of no more than twelve riders who were clean during his entire pro career.
I highly doubt Jens was one of them.
Read Tyler's account of an encounter he had with Jen's in the Secret Race and read Jens reaction to the book.
Jens has omerta keeper written all over him.

 

[pastronef]

He just did an interview with Shane Stokes. Looking forward to reading it.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...etting-the-pill-culture-out-of-the-sport.aspx