Read it and weep. Strickland's dope-free podia

[Maxiton]

I'm sure you are correct about this but Strickland is also a poor writer. Perhaps above average as far as English speaking cycling reporters go but still a terrible writer in general.

In any event, I'm quite sure you're right that he's far less naive about the realities of pro cycling than he's let on over the years.

Just a sad commentary on English cycling journalism, isn't it? That an above average cycling journalist is still terribly poor in skills and talent when compared to journalists outside cycling? At least the French have people in cycling who can both think and write.

Anyway, Strickland is a hack if there ever was one, bought and paid for. I thought prostitution was illegal, but it isn't, clearly.

 

[ultimobici]

Just a sad commentary on English cycling journalism, isn't it? That an above average cycling journalist is still terribly poor in skills and talent when compared to journalists outside cycling? At least the French have people in cycling who can both think and write.

Anyway, Strickland is a hack if there ever was one, bought and paid for. I thought prostitution was illegal, but it isn't, clearly.

Well said!

 

[flyor64]

...NEXT UP:
Who would have won 'The Eurovision' if they could actually sing.

1978
1. Peoples Republic of China
(while not technically part of Europe I decided they should be No.1 because.... )

Now this is quality sarcasm right there...although you may have to 'splain Eurovision to some of our North American counterparts...

As an aside, it appears he is knowingly throwing some riders under the bus with the posturing. It may be a bit of old news but the explanation given for Levi is straight to the point, unlike some of the others out there...read wikipedia and that whole mess that ensued. Chapeux to the folks who kept that thing alive by the way.

Kloden as well. Is his collateral damage here or purposeful? If purposeful I don't understand the angle...

 

[flicker]

Last try, LeMond did not quit cycling because of "dopers", he quit because he could not keep up any more. He was still training the same and feeling the same, but a whole group was riding at a higher speed. It was enough to make him think he was sick. It was not that though, it was the fact that the peloton (and a few Doctors with a lack of ethics) had discovered EPO, a drug which absolutly did turn Donkeys into Racehorses. Soon the racehorses were taking it too and thus we have the history of cycling late 90's through the present. The only time in cyclings history when medical preparation made as much difference to the results as the rest of a riders preparation did.
That is precisely why "what goes for LeMond" (and others of his era) is not the same as "what goes for Lance".
If as Jan Ullrich said, you still can't understand what happened in pro cycling, well, I can't help you either.

Why Greg has not manned up and admitted that he could not win because he was old and needed to retire I will never know. He champions cleanliness in cycling but he seems to put a spin on it I don't buy. I sure enjoyed the article about some fine riders Claudio Chiapucci and a certain Levi Leipheimer and of course Basso in the August Pro cycling. Maybe Greg could read it to and cheer himself up.

 

[powerste]

Just a sad commentary on English cycling journalism, isn't it? That an above average cycling journalist is still terribly poor in skills and talent when compared to journalists outside cycling? At least the French have people in cycling who can both think and write.

Anyway, Strickland is a hack if there ever was one, bought and paid for. I thought prostitution was illegal, but it isn't, clearly.

Strickland must work from a home office somewhere in Nevada.

 

[flicker]

Strickland has a sober and factual view on cycling. Refreshing compared to the doubters and haters who rule this forum. I respect the cult o'LeMond though. We all need a leader.

 

[Maxiton]

Strickland has a sober and factual view on cycling. Refreshing compared to the doubters and haters who rule this forum. I respect the cult o'LeMond though. We all need a leader.

True. Plus, LeMond doesn't have to buy his fans. Right, Lance?

 

[Eustist]

Kivilev

I for one have a hard time believing kivilev was clean. Based on nothing but his nationality. Which is not a good method I know but there it is.

Kascheckin (sp?),Vinokourov...

 

[flicker]

True. Plus, LeMond doesn't have to buy his fans. Right, Lance?

Spoken like a disgruntled ex-Lance fan foy!

 

[Maxiton]

Spoken like a disgruntled ex-Lance fan foy!

Nah, I never cared enough about Lance either way to be an ex anything. I am an ex Strickland fan, though. He had some kind of promise once, or so I thought.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I for one have a hard time believing kivilev was clean. Based on nothing but his nationality. Which is not a good method I know but there it is.

Kascheckin (sp?),Vinokourov...

Oh please, now we are suppose to see some sort of divide between dopers and nondopers based on country of origin?
Lets see former eastern block-bad
Spanish with Fuente/Puerto Valverde Heras etc-bad
USA with Landis Hamilton Armstrong under investigation even our friend Joe Papp-Oh no we're bad too
Belgium the country that invented Pot-Belg? Are you serious?-bad
France Festina-bad
Holland PDM-bad
England Millar-bad

Go look at just the WIKI List of Doping Cases in Cycling and then come back and tell us if you can spot any trend other than that "everybody is doing it".

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Oh please, now we are suppose to see some sort of divide between dopers and nondopers based on country of origin?
Lets see former eastern block-bad
Spanish with Fuente/Puerto Valverde Heras etc-bad
USA with Landis Hamilton Armstrong under investigation even our friend Joe Papp-Oh no we're bad too
Belgium the country that invented Pot-Belg? Are you serious?-bad
France Festina-bad
Holland PDM-bad
England Millar-bad

Go look at just the WIKI List of Doping Cases in Cycling and then come back and tell us if you can spot any trend other than that "everybody is doing it".

No - he's right.

Thats why its called the 'Biological Passport'.
They look at your values then decide if you are guilty on where you are from or if you can pay.

 

[Anonymous]

dear lord ..............

 

[flicker]

No - he's right.

Thats why its called the 'Biological Passport'.
They look at your values then decide if you are guilty on where you are from or if you can pay.

Thats what I am talking about Willis

 

[Anonymous]

No - he's right.

Thats why its called the 'Biological Passport'.
They look at your values then decide if you are guilty on where you are from or if you can pay.

Unbelievably sad.

Sadly true.

 

[Maxiton]

I'm afraid Willis is correct.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

strickland makes two conclusions at the end, both of which are just f-ing ***, which is right in line with the rest of the article.

my conclusion? i was right to be really sad about the state of cycling journalism in general and bicycling magazine in particular.

this "article" is a weaker effort than most of the posts here in the clinic. sad.

(not your posts of course. your posts are great.)

 

[spanky wanderlust]

No - he's right.

Thats why its called the 'Biological Passport'.
They look at your values then decide if you are guilty on where you are from or if you can pay.

you are awesome.

 

[ultimobici]

Why Greg has not manned up and admitted that he could not win because he was old and needed to retire I will never know. He champions cleanliness in cycling but he seems to put a spin on it I don't buy. I sure enjoyed the article about some fine riders Claudio Chiapucci and a certain Levi Leipheimer and of course Basso in the August Pro cycling. Maybe Greg could read it to and cheer himself up.

Old? He was 32 FFS!! Fignon was 33 when he finally packed it in.

Of the winners of the Tour prior to the EPO era many rode competitively into their mid 30's. It is normal to lose it as age creeps up, but the advent of EPO accelerated that decline so that it was like a switch had been thrown.

 

[flicker]

Old? He was 32 FFS!! Fignon was 33 when he finally packed it in.

Of the winners of the Tour prior to the EPO era many rode competitively into their mid 30's. It is normal to lose it as age creeps up, but the advent of EPO accelerated that decline so that it was like a switch had been thrown.

Greg was/is carrying some lead in his body. Everybodies body reacts to to foreign matter that in a different way+ everyone ages at a different pace. I saw him age quickly during his pro career. I have seen it here he over trained. Plus all those hard races have got to age someone. He was burnt out when he dropped out of the Tour. I saw that at that time and I saw him at 15. A natural process aging, even Lord Armstrong ages. Not me though I just grow younger.

 

[bobs nob]

Dumb thread about a dumb article by a dumb fan/chamois sniffing "journalist"

Pretty straightforward: start with the qualifiers that Lance DOESN'T fall into, list as many as you can. Then list the qualifiers and amazingly Lance is the greatest GT rider ever.

I'd say 'Neat Trick' if the trick wasn't so utterly transparent.