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Caruut

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Link's messed up mate.

I heard Boardman's samples from his hour record are still knocking about.
 
DirtyWorks

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Right Direction. May not Work

This is the idea. But, there's a few gotchas.

1. This will catch "less dumb" athletes. The smart dopers would have been at the end of their doping cycle near the start of the Olympics. I'm too lazy to look it up now, but detection rates decline steeply late into a doping cycle.

2. Will all the positives be reported? The IOC is not transparent in this way. If a cyclist is positive, it will be reported because that's the bias.

I'd like to see some stats from WADA breaking down positive/suspicious/negative results. it would be nice to get some idea of the number of failed tests where the A-sample is positive and the B-sample fails.
 
TexPat

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DirtyWorks said:
This is the idea. But, there's a few gotchas.

1. This will catch "less dumb" athletes. The smart dopers would have been at the end of their doping cycle near the start of the Olympics. I'm too lazy to look it up now, but detection rates decline steeply late into a doping cycle.

2. Will all the positives be reported? The IOC is not transparent in this way. If a cyclist is positive, it will be reported because that's the bias.

I'd like to see some stats from WADA breaking down positive/suspicious/negative results. it would be nice to get some idea of the number of failed tests where the A-sample is positive and the B-sample fails.
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Is Bill Stapleton still on the Ethics Comm?
 
MacRoadie

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keep dreaming wondertwins.

No chance in hell this will happen. Many leagal issues but YMMV.
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I must confess to being a bit confused then:

WADA had requested the re-test of the 2004 Olympic samples using newer testing methods, and if it happens, it won't be the first time the IOC has re-tested samples belatedly. It did so for the 2006 Turin Winter Olympics and the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics. While no new positives were detected from the 2006 Olympics, five athletes tested positive for EPO CERA in the 2008 re-testing.]
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IOC retesting Turin 2006 samples for CERA
 
I Watch Cycling In July

I Watch Cycling In July

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DirtyWorks said:
This is the idea. But, there's a few gotchas.

1. This will catch "less dumb" athletes. The smart dopers would have been at the end of their doping cycle near the start of the Olympics. I'm too lazy to look it up now, but detection rates decline steeply late into a doping cycle.

2. Will all the positives be reported? The IOC is not transparent in this way. If a cyclist is positive, it will be reported because that's the bias.

I'd like to see some stats from WADA breaking down positive/suspicious/negative results. it would be nice to get some idea of the number of failed tests where the A-sample is positive and the B-sample fails.
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Sure, an effective retrospective testing program would include OOC and be administered by some impartial, competent and transparent organisation. We are a long way from any of that, but I do think it's a tiny step in the right direction.

If asked what it would take to give me confidence that anti-doping efforts were an effective deterrent, I would say proper administration and extensive retrospective testing. This 4 year penalty BS that Pat keeps coming out with whenever the spotlight is on the UCI is a very skimpy fig leaf. Instead of quoting Pat's soundbite, It think the journos should come back every time with "why no retrospective testing?".

@Hitch, I'm guessing the comment that they may "target high-risk sports and athletes" means lots of cyclists and no soccer players.:rolleyes:
 
Polish

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Wasn't the IOC still waiting on the USADA to get a ruling on Tyler 2004? Remember reading that a few weeks/months back....did the USADA rule yet?
Maybe the IOC will just take matters into their own hands. I remember them getting a bit impatient.
 
Race Radio

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Polish said:
Wasn't the IOC still waiting on the USADA to get a ruling on Tyler 2004? Remember reading that a few weeks/months back....did the USADA rule yet?
Maybe the IOC will just take matters into their own hands. I remember them getting a bit impatient.
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The IOC said they if they were going to adjust results they only wanted to do it once. They didn't want to change them for Tyler then change them when one, or more, of the other medalists was also doping.

I expect a lot of changes to those TT results
 
Semper Fidelis

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Race Radio said:
The IOC said they if they were going to adjust results they only wanted to do it once. They didn't want to change them for Tyler then change them when one, or more, of the other medalists was also doping.

I expect a lot of changes to those TT results
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OMG Corpus Christy boy gets GOLD.....YHOOOOO .....:D
 
ElChingon

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Retrospective testing would greatly increase the clinic post count.

And keep certain bad names out of it (hopefully). ;)
 
spetsa

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benzwire said:
Would love to see Bobby J get gold!
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Julich is a good guy, and a smart one. I have a feeling that at this point, he would respectfully say no thank you.
 
taiwan

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This is 5 positives across all Olympic sports, right? Also "adverse analytical findings" refers to a suspicious 'blood passport' (not specifically that scheme if it's not cycling)?

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taiwan said:
This is 5 positives across all Olympic sports, right?
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yeah. it's ridiculous. Lunquist says there are five adverse findings. in the end there may be two positives, there may be none, he says.
probably depends on the names attached to the adverse findings. :rolleyes:
imagine e.g. Phelps is among them. no way they're gonna make that public.
 
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