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luckyboy said:
I'm not arguing for Ricco necessarily. Just that bans should be even with all riders. Second ban should be a lifetime offence, but if Di Luca didn't get one, I don't see why it should be any different for Ricco.

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Well obviously he can race if someone signs him. Just think punishments etc. should be the same for everyone. As someone else just posted, why should he have been sacked when others haven't been?
i am completely with you on this, but don't have your patience to argue the point. Ricco seems to bring out the worst in a lot of people...

thank you for pointing out the imbalance.
 
VeloFidelis said:
I think they don't like him because he's an a$$hole.

They're happy to be rid of him because he is, unfortunately... hopelessly stupid!

Indeed, but being thick and a **** is not reason enough to be banned - otherwise both Contador and Frodo would have received lifetime bans a long time ago.
 
Mrs John Murphy said:
Indeed, but being thick and a **** is not reason enough to be banned - otherwise both Contador and Frodo would have received lifetime bans a long time ago.

But he's not banned... he's unacceptable. There's a difference. You can't blame sponsors and teams for looking after their own best interests.
 
It was hard enough returning last year through Ceramica Flaminia and eventually on to Vacansoleil. Even if CONI came out and said he had no case to answer for, it would be much harder finding a team, such is the way the sport works.

If he wants back in then he better start training, maybe a team in dire straits would punt on him for the Vuelta, but it seems like the only reasonable possibility for the rest of the year is an obscure continental team.
 
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Bruce_Willis_97 said:
So is Ricco's possible defense "hippocratic oath"?

I'm not sure how the law works in Italy but in other countries such as the UK, Australia, NZ the Doctors evidence would be inadmissable in a hearing. The doping laws are completely different in Italy, Spain, France etc compared to the three countries I know about so take that for what it's worth.

I haven't been following this case too much, did he actually get charged by the police or is it just at CONI that he has to appear?
 

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Bruce_Willis_97 said:
So is Ricco's possible defense "hippocratic oath"?

Nope, if I am correctly remembering from a previous thread some Italian poster said that Italian law grants the doctor at least the possibility to give information in the case where the injury comes from criminal acts, or perhaps it was the obligation to report those. In many European states there are rules which provide for discretion on the part of the doctor, allowing them to give information, or that put an obligation on the doctor to report.
 
Susan Westemeyer said:
What do the others in the peloton think? Baden Cooke tweeted:

badencooke: Ricco wants to come back?? **** off you idiot you have already blown it. Just coach your mrs until she goes poz again.

Susan

It seems they haven't changed their tone since we had this drama a couple of months ago when he was in hospital.

I wonder if Baden thinks his team principal should also "**** off" from the sport. Also, Vania was never sanctioned, just like Baden's team leader, who also "went poz".
 
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M Sport said:
I'm not sure how the law works in Italy but in other countries such as the UK, Australia, NZ the Doctors evidence would be inadmissable in a hearing. The doping laws are completely different in Italy, Spain, France etc compared to the three countries I know about so take that for what it's worth.

I haven't been following this case too much, did he actually get charged by the police or is it just at CONI that he has to appear?

i imagine after his hearing saying that he wants to ride again they have no evidence:(
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
What do the others in the peloton think? Baden Cooke tweeted:

badencooke: Ricco wants to come back?? **** off you idiot you have already blown it. Just coach your mrs until she goes poz again.

Susan

Don't worry, I told Cookie off for being a hypocrite! ACF94 is very much anti-doping!

ACF94 for UCI president!:D
 
Susan Westemeyer said:
What do the others in the peloton think? Baden Cooke tweeted:

badencooke: Ricco wants to come back?? **** off you idiot you have already blown it. Just coach your mrs until she goes poz again.

Susan

As far as Baden Cooke is concerned - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stone. Especially given his reputation as a big time charger.

This just goes to show the hypocrisy in the peloton. Be an Omerta upholder like Cooke and you are fine. Speak out like Ricco and everyone wants to throw you under the bus.

How about challenging him on his hypocrisy?

Velofedis - he is banned in all but name - persona non grata - despite not having failed a test. I fail to see why Ricco is considered to be 'bad for business' while Contador/Kloden etc are considered 'acceptable'.

To paraphrase someone else 'Ricco is just a patsy'.
 
roundabout said:
Shouldn't you be denouncing the rumors and defending his right to ride?

Instead it seems he got the rolleyes treatment.

Not fair.

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Oh, he can ride as far as I am concerned. He should have his day in court. And personally I don;t believe he is innocent and the chances of heim being innocent are remote at best. But let him fight his corner, I say.

For him personally it would probably be best to call it a day, health wise.

Regards
GJ
 
Without being rude - but you seem to have missed the point.

Ricco was sacked by his team - despite not failing a test - and was then thrown under the bus by the peloton. Meanwhile, the likes of Contador are defended by their teams (despite failing tests) and the peloton refuses to condemn them.

By any stretch of the imagination the peloton/teams/media are guilty of double standards and hypocrisy.
 
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the morons are out supporting cookie on twitter. Some people are ****ing delusional. ACF is going on the attack! I had a go a manuel quinziato for being a hypocrite. My BMC fan friends weren't happy with me!
 
Mrs John Murphy said:
As far as Baden Cooke is concerned - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stone. Especially given his reputation as a big time charger.

This just goes to show the hypocrisy in the peloton. Be an Omerta upholder like Cooke and you are fine. Speak out like Ricco and everyone wants to throw you under the bus.

Velofedis - he is banned in all but name - persona non grata - despite not having failed a test. I fail to see why Ricco is considered to be 'bad for business' while Contador/Kloden etc are considered 'acceptable'.

To paraphrase someone else 'Ricco is just a patsy'.


Yes, that about sums it up. Also when the president of CONI is, only now, blowing the whistle on this sport, simply because an entire Italian team is now caught up in the storm.

The only thing that really disturbs me about Riccò's latest campaign, is that reality seems to be merely optional. But this also goes for the quotes we get from other cyclists about him.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
As far as Baden Cooke is concerned - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stone. Especially given his reputation as a big time charger.

This just goes to show the hypocrisy in the peloton. Be an Omerta upholder like Cooke and you are fine. Speak out like Ricco and everyone wants to throw you under the bus.

Velofedis - he is banned in all but name - persona non grata - despite not having failed a test. I fail to see why Ricco is considered to be 'bad for business' while Contador/Kloden etc are considered 'acceptable'.

To paraphrase someone else 'Ricco is just a patsy'.

He definitely seems to be the bútt of a lot of anger from the pros. I suppose they can vent it at him without reprisal where as they cant say nothing about Contador.

Someone should tweet him about his team mate? But Riccó asked for all this with his attitude to his fellow pros. His insulted them in the TdF the year he tested positive. His punk attitude is not wanted.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
the morons are out supporting cookie on twitter. Some people are ****ing delusional. ACF is going on the attack! I had a go a manuel quinziato for being a hypocrite. My BMC fan friends weren't happy with me!


I saw your tweet about Cooke, I think you missed the mark with your comparison. A better one would have been the guy that pays his (Cooke) wages is an admitted doper that has never done his time. Other examples would have been the numerous convicted dopers Cooke has never bothered to comment on.

Cooke is just a fool for tweeting what he did, the ultimate in hypocrisy. I know over here he is considered one of the good ol boys but in my opinion he's just a *** and a bully.

I don't like Ricco, never have. Seeing these hypocritical *******s in action though makes me want him to walk free. Fu<k them. Go pick on all the other dopers that are still riding in the peloton and managing teams. Gutless pr1cks.
 
Ferminal said:
It seems they haven't changed their tone since we had this drama a couple of months ago when he was in hospital.

I wonder if Baden thinks his team principal should also "**** off" from the sport. Also, Vania was never sanctioned, just like Baden's team leader, who also "went poz".

Its moments like that that make me so want to see Ricco back. Just to **** of these d***less hypocrites.
 
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M Sport said:
I saw your tweet about Cooke, I think you missed the mark with your comparison. A better one would have been the guy that pays his (Cooke) wages is an admitted doper that has never done his time. Other examples would have been the numerous convicted dopers Cooke has never bothered to comment on.

Cooke is just a fool for tweeting what he did, the ultimate in hypocrisy. I know over here he is considered one of the good ol boys but in my opinion he's just a *** and a bully.

I don't like Ricco, never have. Seeing these hypocritical *******s in action though makes me want him to walk free. Fu<k them. Go pick on all the other dopers that are still riding in the peloton and managing teams. Gutless pr1cks.

Tweet sent!!!:) I await his response to my tweet attack!
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
What do the others in the peloton think? Baden Cooke tweeted:

badencooke: Ricco wants to come back?? **** off you idiot you have already blown it. Just coach your mrs until she goes poz again.

Susan
Surely some of these guys realize how pathetic they look sending angry tweets like fourteen year old boys while happily and silently working with and for others who have tested positive and/or admitted to doping? Baden Cooke should perhaps follow Lincoln's advice on fools remaining silent vs speaking out and exposing their ignorance.