Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[hazaran]

Since anaerobic work capacity is so small it is extremely sensitive to where you make the cutoff from aerobic and it's pretty much entirely pointless to consider in isolation from power estimates that themselves have significant uncertainty.

If you do a 7 minute effort at 500W and you set the cutoff at 450W, that comes out to 21kJ of anaerobic work. If you set the cutoff at 440W (10W or 2% of 500) you get 25.2kJ or 20% more. So a small uncertainty in wattage and cutoff is translated into a "useless" uncertainty for anaerobic work.

 

[jens_attacks]

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So what is the w/kg limit for an 8 min climb effort? If there is one.

8.2w/kg but that was only for 7 minutes. Doesn't tell you a lot except he produced a lot of power for a guy that doesn't weight that much. Again it was for a short period of time.

doesn't tell you much? assuming a max FTP of 6 w/kg that's 2.2w/kg * 7 minutes * 62kg = an incredible anaerobic work capacity. There's less literature about the "normal" range for AWC so all I can go on is my own, but apparently his AWC is 2.5x mine at 20kg lower body weight.

The additional power is not just anaerobically produced, though. In fact oxygen consumption will continue to increase once riders go above their Ftp up until a max vo2 is reached. This usually takes a while and can be attained also at prolonged submaximal but supra ftp efforts due to the so called vo2 slow component. Nonetheless there is a significant aerobic component to supra ftp power generation. Conversely, FTP is always a fraction of vo2max, not identical to it.

In efforts ranging from 5-10 minutes it is largely just this the supra ftp aerobic power (as well as the ability to convert lactate into work) that counts.

But surely pro riders tend to have a huge anaerobic capacity as well.

If you google coggan w/kg chart you can get a ballpark number for world class riders limits for these kinds of efforts. Different individuals will have different abilities, of course. The chart states 7,6w/kg for 5min efforts as a ballpark, so perhaps 8w/kg for 8 minutes is within range for the absolute bests... But NB that this chart is from the "pre-cleans" era and so your mileage will vary.

I never heard of something as high as that....

 

[Cookster15]

Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

 

[thehog]

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So what is the w/kg limit for an 8 min climb effort? If there is one.

8.2w/kg but that was only for 7 minutes. Doesn't tell you a lot except he produced a lot of power for a guy that doesn't weight that much. Again it was for a short period of time.

doesn't tell you much? assuming a max FTP of 6 w/kg that's 2.2w/kg * 7 minutes * 62kg = an incredible anaerobic work capacity. There's less literature about the "normal" range for AWC so all I can go on is my own, but apparently his AWC is 2.5x mine at 20kg lower body weight.

More to the point it's too hard to draw a definitive conclusion. In saying that it was a huge burst of power when he attacked, no one could follow and he kept on going for a guy who weighs very little. If he had his hands on the drops there would have been comparisons to Pantani. Porte looks like he's going to smash this year and the only thing stopping him will be Froome calling up the UCI to drug test him more.

TVG might also want to tap into Porte's program. Get the right drugs.

 

[jens_attacks]

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Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Contador did just over 7 w/kg on his beloved malhao, 7 min effort.

Porte probably above 8 on willunga.

Again, it's unprecedented.

 

[Cookster15]

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Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Contador did just over 7 w/kg on his beloved malhao, 7 min effort.

Porte probably above 8 on willunga.

Again, it's unprecedented.

Okay. So this means riders like Chaves, Haas, Ulissi or even Nathan Earle who finished within 23 seconds of Porte on Willunga so are also well over 7w/Kg so they must be equally suspect no?

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Contador did just over 7 w/kg on his beloved malhao, 7 min effort.

Porte probably above 8 on willunga.

Again, it's unprecedented.

Okay. So this means riders like Chaves, Haas, Ulissi or even Nathan Earle who finished within 23 seconds of Porte on Willunga so are also well over 7w/Kg so they must be equally suspect no?

Porte opened a 20 second gap in just over a kilometre, the suspicion is justified.

 

[42x16ss]

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Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

 

[Cookster15]

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Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

No, there is never a lot of discussion about AC doping e.g. a special doping thread dedictated to him because that is acceptable. But it is not acceptable for LRP. to dope and win I thought my point was rather obvious? What is Bikeradar?

 

[Cookster15]

By the way. opening a 20 second gap to non suspect riders like those that finished 20secs back in just over a kilometre is an anaerobic effort. Doping? Maybe. Worse than anyone else? Nope.You follow professional road racing. Accept it. He attacked. He won. Good for him.

 

[42x16ss]

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By the way. opening a 20 second gap to non suspect riders like those that finished 20secs back in just over a kilometre is an anaerobic effort. Doping? Maybe. Worse than anyone else? Nope.You follow professional road racing. Accept it. He attacked. He won. Good for him.

I do accept it. A doper beat some other likely dopers.

Porte is in excellent form and I doubt it's unreasonable to expect that he did what pros do to get there.

 

[42x16ss]

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Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

No, there is never a lot of discussion about AC doping e.g. a special doping thread dedictated to him because that is acceptable. But it is not acceptable for LRP. to dope and win I thought my point was rather obvious? What is Bikeradar?

Probably because everything that could be said about AC was said in 2009 after Verbier. The threads still exist, a quick search will bring them up.

I'm sure you don't know what the bikeradar forums are :lol:

 

[Night Rider]

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So what is the w/kg limit for an 8 min climb effort? If there is one.

8.2w/kg but that was only for 7 minutes. Doesn't tell you a lot except he produced a lot of power for a guy that doesn't weight that much. Again it was for a short period of time.

Who calculated 8.2 for LRP? I have it at about 7.35 w/kg, that correlates with McCarthy's actual 7.17 w/kg finishing 20 seconds back.

 

[Night Rider]

Re: Re:

Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

No, there is never a lot of discussion about AC doping e.g. a special doping thread dedictated to him because that is acceptable. But it is not acceptable for LRP. to dope and win I thought my point was rather obvious? What is Bikeradar?

Most Contador fans accept he dopes, I think the LRP and Froomey fans are yet to connect the dots.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

No, there is never a lot of discussion about AC doping e.g. a special doping thread dedictated to him because that is acceptable. But it is not acceptable for LRP. to dope and win I thought my point was rather obvious? What is Bikeradar?

Most Contador fans accept he dopes, I think the LRP and Froomey fans are yet to connect the dots.

I know. but ffs ask yourself the question. why do clinic members care so much what some fans accept or dont accept?

does it make the fact that Alberto Foome Porte are doping, different?

that´s the question that comes up so often. why people want to "open the eyes" to other people

as long as me and you understand, it is all fine.

it´s not a religion, you dont have to make people believe or not believe in something.

the Albero thread has less clicks because his fans accept he is doping?

is it not DOPING the problem, or what some fans on the clinic think?

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

No, there is never a lot of discussion about AC doping e.g. a special doping thread dedictated to him because that is acceptable. But it is not acceptable for LRP. to dope and win I thought my point was rather obvious? What is Bikeradar?

Most Contador fans accept he dopes, I think the LRP and Froomey fans are yet to connect the dots.

I know. but ffs ask yourself the question. why do clinic members care so much what some fans accept or dont accept?

does it make the fact that Alberto Foome Porte are doping, different?

that´s the question that comes up so often. why people want to "open the eyes" to other people

as long as me and you understand, it is all fine.

it´s not a religion, you dont have to make people believe or not believe in something.

the Albero thread has less clicks because his fans accept he is doping?

is it not DOPING the problem, or what some fans on the clinic think?

The Empire crew's need to believe and convince the rest their heroes are cleans are what draws the conversation out and you know it. You've posted here for a few years now, seen it first hand and even acknowledged that it happens.

 

[Night Rider]

Re: Re:

Why so much chat about Richie here rather than in his thread in PRR? Why so much chat about AC in PRR, yet virtually none in the clinic recently? This exposes the double standards of the forum police, they have their favourite riders and they shall decide what gets said about who. I think the science proves over 7 minute climbs Porte's performances at the TDU are not extra terrestrial.

Because Richie just turned in a ridiculous performance yesterday and Contador won't be racing for at least 6-8 weeks? There actually is a lot of Porte discussion in the Australian Racing thread, as well as the Porte thread.

Maybe BikeRadar is more your thing?

No, there is never a lot of discussion about AC doping e.g. a special doping thread dedictated to him because that is acceptable. But it is not acceptable for LRP. to dope and win I thought my point was rather obvious? What is Bikeradar?

Most Contador fans accept he dopes, I think the LRP and Froomey fans are yet to connect the dots.

I know. but ffs ask yourself the question. why do clinic members care so much what some fans accept or dont accept?

does it make the fact that Alberto Foome Porte are doping, different?

that´s the question that comes up so often. why people want to "open the eyes" to other people

as long as me and you understand, it is all fine.

it´s not a religion, you dont have to make people believe or not believe in something.

the Albero thread has less clicks because his fans accept he is doping?

is it not DOPING the problem, or what some fans on the clinic think?

On the bolded part first. That's the whole reason the clinic was created, some fans saying Armstrong doped, and others arguing he wasn't. It took over the racing threads to such an extent that the clinic had to be created. The clinic is the place to argue about doping, and doping suspicions.

On the last part, yes exactly. The Alberto threads have less clicks because there is less argument. The biggest threads here were always where the biggest arguments are. It's human nature.

My own post or reply was to someone who came in with the reverse situation though, wanting fans to talk less about one rider in the PRR and more of another, then a mod conspiracy about doping conversations. I just pointed out why there is less doping conversation about Contador, I don't have any desire though to keep coming back and convincing him Porte will be doping. Just look at how the Evans thread is going to see the results of people trying to do that.

 

[thehog]

The LRP thread needs a bump. Hopefully he can help Froome win the Tour this year :surprised:

 

[Irondan]

The LRP thread needs a bump. Hopefully he can help Froome win the Tour this year :surprised:

I'm a little surprised that no one has anything to say about him lately, today he won a stage in PN and a couple days ago he lost giant chunks of time yet nobody noticed it seems (except for you hoggy).

Maybe the clinic thinks he's a clean rider?

 

[blackcat]

The LRP thread needs a bump. Hopefully he can help Froome win the Tour this year :surprised:

I'm a little surprised that no one has anything to say about him lately, today he won a stage in PN and a couple days ago he lost giant chunks of time yet nobody noticed it seems (except for you hoggy).

Maybe the clinic thinks he's a clean rider?

no Dan, the Clinic 12 does not think LRP is clean. <eyesroll> innit

 

[Irondan]

The LRP thread needs a bump. Hopefully he can help Froome win the Tour this year :surprised:

I'm a little surprised that no one has anything to say about him lately, today he won a stage in PN and a couple days ago he lost giant chunks of time yet nobody noticed it seems (except for you hoggy).

Maybe the clinic thinks he's a clean rider?

no Dan, the Clinic 12 does not think LRP is clean. <eyesroll> innit

I didn't think so...

 

[GraftPunk]

Not that I think he was clean, but he was adrift 14 minutes and saving up for today. Being let off the leash with a surplus of oomph by the big boys is opportunity, but yeah LRP is a dirty little dawg.

 

[Cookster15]

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Not that I think he was clean, but he was adrift 14 minutes and saving up for today. Being let off the leash with a surplus of oomph by the big boys is opportunity, but yeah LRP is a dirty little dawg.

Yep, but LRP is no less clean than anyone else who is riding for Grand Tour Podiums. So when we celebrate Froome, Quintana, Contador or Nibali, we can also celebrate LRP if he can hold it together and stay on his bike for 3 weeks. The other point I find interesting about Porte at BMC is he has continued to develop after leaving Sky's marginal gains umbrella.

 

[thehog]

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Not that I think he was clean, but he was adrift 14 minutes and saving up for today. Being let off the leash with a surplus of oomph by the big boys is opportunity, but yeah LRP is a dirty little dawg.

Yep, but LRP is no less clean than anyone else who is riding for Grand Tour Podiums. So when we celebrate Froome, Quintana, Contador or Nibali, we can also celebrate LRP if he can hold it together and stay on his bike for 3 weeks. The other point I find interesting about Porte at BMC is he has continued to develop after leaving Sky's marginal gains umbrella.

Reference point; see Tyler Hamilton.

If he threatens Froome for the Tour, Michelle will call Brian and have a bio flag issued. That should bring him back to regular LRP.

 

[BYOP88]

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Not that I think he was clean, but he was adrift 14 minutes and saving up for today. Being let off the leash with a surplus of oomph by the big boys is opportunity, but yeah LRP is a dirty little dawg.

Yep, but LRP is no less clean than anyone else who is riding for Grand Tour Podiums. So when we celebrate Froome, Quintana, Contador or Nibali, we can also celebrate LRP if he can hold it together and stay on his bike for 3 weeks. The other point I find interesting about Porte at BMC is he has continued to develop after leaving Sky's marginal gains umbrella.

Reference point; see Tyler Hamilton.

If he threatens Froome for the Tour, Michelle will call Brian and have a bio flag issued. That should bring him back to regular LRP.

That's what happens when he has his normal bad day and loses time, poor LRP!!!