Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
LRP may get Kath to challenge cound again this time on behalf of him LRPthehog said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Very true but I have a feeling Mrs. Dawg is going to get Dawg to call the UCI and get extra testing on Little Richie. No way could she stand LRP winning the Tour from Dawg.
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Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Funny how 1 minute increases to 3 given enough timeScarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
thehog said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Very true but I have a feeling Mrs. Dawg is going to get Dawg to call the UCI and get extra testing on Little Richie. No way could she stand LRP winning the Tour from Dawg.
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Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
yaco said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Porte rode the climb 45 second s quicker than S.Yates, but Yates saved energy, when he knew Porte was tearing up the mountain - Porte caught S.Yates with 2.9km to go and couldn't shake off Yates - It was an excellent climb by Porte, but not a superman performance.
He kept going didn't he past Pantani still sprintingkingjr said:Funny how 1 minute increases to 3 given enough timeScarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux![]()
Armstrong couldn't drop Pantani either. It was basically a mirror image except the two mountainsyaco said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Porte rode the climb 45 second s quicker than S.Yates, but Yates saved energy, when he knew Porte was tearing up the mountain - Porte caught S.Yates with 2.9km to go and couldn't shake off Yates - It was an excellent climb by Porte, but not a superman performance.
This is the key statement. That main group was 20 strong and was made up largely of third or fourth tier climbers at best. Porte destroying Uran, Felline, Ulissi and Kreuziger on the final climb in a mountainous day in stage race, is not really off the charts. He couldn't drop Yates - probably the 3rd best climber in the field (who had spent a lot of energy on the descent) and was fresh enough to easily outsprint him.Mr.White said:yaco said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Porte rode the climb 45 second s quicker than S.Yates, but Yates saved energy, when he knew Porte was tearing up the mountain - Porte caught S.Yates with 2.9km to go and couldn't shake off Yates - It was an excellent climb by Porte, but not a superman performance.
Yes it was! He gave 50 sec to everybody in the main group on such shallow climb, it was superman performance! It was 7.35 W/kg for Christ sake!
DFA123 said:This is the key statement. That main group was 20 strong and was made up largely of third or fourth tier climbers at best. Porte destroying Uran, Felline, Ulissi and Kreuziger on the final climb in a mountainous day in stage race, is not really off the charts. He couldn't drop Yates - probably the 3rd best climber in the field (who had spent a lot of energy on the descent) and was fresh enough to easily outsprint him.Mr.White said:yaco said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Porte rode the climb 45 second s quicker than S.Yates, but Yates saved energy, when he knew Porte was tearing up the mountain - Porte caught S.Yates with 2.9km to go and couldn't shake off Yates - It was an excellent climb by Porte, but not a superman performance.
Yes it was! He gave 50 sec to everybody in the main group on such shallow climb, it was superman performance! It was 7.35 W/kg for Christ sake!
TJVG distanced everyone in that group as well - that's how strong it was. Comparisons to Armstrong destroying the best climber of his generation on a HC climb like Ventoux are absurd.
Nah, he set a high pace, but not like he did when catching Pantani, when he was really sprinting on the drops. And even that was not a 'sprint sprint'.Scarponi said:He kept going didn't he past Pantani still sprintingkingjr said:Funny how 1 minute increases to 3 given enough timeScarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux![]()
Mr.White said:DFA123 said:This is the key statement. That main group was 20 strong and was made up largely of third or fourth tier climbers at best. Porte destroying Uran, Felline, Ulissi and Kreuziger on the final climb in a mountainous day in stage race, is not really off the charts. He couldn't drop Yates - probably the 3rd best climber in the field (who had spent a lot of energy on the descent) and was fresh enough to easily outsprint him.Mr.White said:yaco said:Scarponi said:The way he slided up to Yates out of the saddle for over a km reminded me of that Arnstrong 3 minute sprint to catch Pantani on the Ventoux
Porte rode the climb 45 second s quicker than S.Yates, but Yates saved energy, when he knew Porte was tearing up the mountain - Porte caught S.Yates with 2.9km to go and couldn't shake off Yates - It was an excellent climb by Porte, but not a superman performance.
Yes it was! He gave 50 sec to everybody in the main group on such shallow climb, it was superman performance! It was 7.35 W/kg for Christ sake!
TJVG distanced everyone in that group as well - that's how strong it was. Comparisons to Armstrong destroying the best climber of his generation on a HC climb like Ventoux are absurd.
Uran is certainly not a 3rd or 4th tier, he's in good form, Contador and Valverde couldn;t drop him on Arrate. There were also Zakarin, Izagirre, Meintjes, Spilak, whole Movistar and certain Chris Froome. Not a weak field for that kind of climb certainly! And that kind of stage. I repeat, Valverde couldn't drop that similar field on much tougher gradients and much tougher day. I would understand maybe if he and TJ tried multiple attacks and shrinked the group step by step. But he dropped them instantly! And rode in the sunsetIt was not normal, believe me!
Mr.White said:It was 4-5% when he caught Yates, not very likely to drop him, although he barely hold his wheel. And no, he was not more powerful in PN, he seized the opportunity there, he was not a GC threat, and went full gas, Contador and others hesitated a bit and he was gone. Probably he was the strongest there also, but this one was ridiculous, he just rode off from others on a rather easy climb.
Last year, Porte and Froome were equally good, only bad luck and mediocre time trials lost Porte time. I actually believe they finished st on pretty much all stages apart from stage 8 over Peyresourde.Scarponi said:For what I'd give to see Porte in full flight looking behind him with a Froome Contador Quintana group bridging. When was the last time in a tour 2 guys were even in the mountains let alone 3 or 4?
He specifically said in the mountains. I have noticed you sometimes don't seem to read the whole post.....ebandit said:equally good?.............well apart from the time trial where he were not so good.............
porte appears exceptionally 'focused' this year.............will that focus hold through 3 weeks....
Mark L