Richie Porte - what do we know about him?

[webvan]

Forget the doping the UCI needs to crack down on those ridiculous length socks.

Good catch, I thought we'd seen the end of that with Christophe Moreau's retirement, apparently not!

 

[sartoris]

Richie Porte, the new miracle in modern cycling. All I know about him is that he rode for Contador in Saxobank and did basically nothing. And all of a sudden, lo and behold, he becomes an uphill sprinter who's even winning time trials.

I also know that today he's riding for another team, Sky, whose revolutionary training methods have allowed guys like Froome and Wiggings, who otherwise would still be fairly unknown, to develop their true cycling potential for the whole world to see.

 

[BYOP88]

You said this

Originally Posted by willbick
maybe if contador didnt attack 3km out like it was still 2009 he might finish a lot closer to Froome who has the braincell required to wait till 1km before attacking so he doesnt die before the finish

Originally Posted by willbick
are u being sarcastic netserk? it is pretty clear that clean riders can only sustain a big effort at the end of a MTF for a short time so attacking several km's out is pretty pointless. u will just get slowly reeled back and then have less left for the finish

So yeah clean riders can sustain attacks for less than several kms which in your previous post you clearly feel is less than 3kms

Good pick up there! Seems Johan, oops Dave needs to get the latest press stuff out the boys ASAP!

 

[JRTinMA]

He breathes heavily on climbs, according to Walsh this is a good sign he's clean. Nobody laughing in the press room anymore Walsh...

 

[jamesmasters]

Porte is more suspicious than Froome or Wiggins in my book. Yes Froome is good but he is not completely invincible, you could see at the Tour last year Wiggins put several minutes into him in the TTs. Equally Wiggins can clearly lose time in climbs, as we saw at Catalunya.

What gets really suspicious is when a rider crushes everyone at both TTs and climbs, which means that he is either a cycling god, or a doper. We all know which is more likely. In recent weeks we have seen Porte almost beat Wiggins' TT time (despite obviously slowing down in the second half of the TT) and then sprinting up a mountain as if he had jet boosters strapped to the back of his bike.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Unlike others on this forum, I actually find Wiggins's performances to be credible. I watched him in the Tour of Catalunya last week and he was breathing quite hard and making some faces on the climbs.

I've done this in races when I am feeling really good and want to look damaged. People start ignoring you as soon as you do it - like you're out of the race.

I've also put my hand up as if I have a flat, so I can get down the back of the group in a hurry to recover before making an attack.

Just sayin'.

 

[blackcat]

Richie Porte, the new miracle in modern cycling. All I know about him is that he rode for Contador in Saxobank and did basically nothing. And all of a sudden, lo and behold, he becomes an uphill sprinter who's even winning time trials.

I also know that today he's riding for another team, Sky, whose revolutionary training methods have allowed guys like Froome and Wiggings, who otherwise would still be fairly unknown, to develop their true cycling potential for the whole world to see.

richie was a triathlete before he became a cyclist.

did well in timetrials at aus nationals as a rider for a tasmanian amateur team.

 

[willbick]

You said this





So yeah clean riders can sustain attacks for less than several kms which in your previous post you clearly feel is less than 3kms

yeah ok fair enough i guess my original comments needed to be a bit more detailed. obviously it depends on the quality of the opposition. when a rider is up against guys of similar ability e.g. contador/froome/purito/nibali he has to make a massive effort to get away and i dont think its possible to sustain this for long, so certainly not several kms. this is what i meant when critisizing contador for attacking top riders from a long way out.

Obviously if a rider is against guys of inferior ability e.g. Froome v the crit inter field then it is possible to attack from further out and stay away. I mean I could 'sustain' an attack from miles out against my mother!! Froome is a 2-time GT runner-up, its not a big thing that he can sustain a long attack against guys like Fedrigo

 

[Dear Wiggo]

yeah ok fair enough i guess my original comments needed to be a bit more detailed. obviously it depends on the quality of the opposition.

Whhhhaaaaatttttt?????

The cool thing about 1. knowing what you're talking about and 2. telling the truth is NEVER HAVING TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU WROTE / SAID.

"As I said yesterday, the only important thing was that Team Sky won today. It’s always special to get a one-two on the podium, especially given the strength of the field we had here, and we’re super happy.”

Doh, but then he's lying about all that isn't he? Sorry Trust know one......what was that?

Please. Can a Sky defender:

1. tell us Sky did not kick the living snot out of that race
2. tell us the field was weak?

Porte thinks the field was strong. Is he lying? Or is he being sarcastic, and saying, "Great to win 1-2 when the field are so weak?". Coz that second version doesn't make a lot of sense to me, ya know?

 

[Papa Kel]

Before I say anything, I want to make it clear I believe Porte is doping.

I have been a massive fan of Porte's for about 3 or 4 years now. Being from Australia I have got to see a lot more of his riding than what much of Europe has, and when I first saw him I remember thinking to myself that he would make it. So, it's no real surprise to me that he's doing what he's doing (although, as I said earlier, I still believe him to be doping).

If you want to see a performance by him before he was riding for Saxo, then here was his win at 23 years of age at the Tour of Tasmania - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZgobjFM0c , riding for Australian team Praties. In Richie's defense, you can't tell me that he didn't show any form at a young age like has been mentioned on these forums on multiple occasions. Sure, it isn't at World Tour level, but make no mistake there was some tough competition in that tour with riders such as Bernard Sulzberger, Jack Bobridge, Leigh Howard and Kristian House.

Please note that this is in no way me trying to justify Porte's current performances, it's quite clear that he is doping. Considering I have always admired him, and been a massive fan, if I can see that, everyone should be able to.

I haven't seen any interview where Porte states that, so unless you have a link?

There isn't a direct quote where he said he didn't have the legs (as far as I could find). Here is as close as it gets:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...impressive-one-two-ahead-of-Richie-Porte.html

 

[thehog]

He breathes heavily on climbs, according to Walsh this is a good sign he's clean. Nobody laughing in the press room anymore Walsh...

I'm sorry for David. He picked on Lance and won.

Now he's in semi-retirement mode waiting to be paid out by NewsCorp.

Sold his soul.

I'm sure PK is beating the crap out of him behind the scenes.

 

[thehog]

richie was a triathlete before he became a cyclist.

did well in timetrials at aus nationals as a rider for a tasmanian amateur team.

Tasmania! Lol!

Tasmania amateur team! Are you serious!?

Its like saying a rider did well at the Alaskan state trials.

 

[Papa Kel]

Tasmania! Lol!

Tasmania amateur team! Are you serious!?

Its like saying a rider did well at the Alaskan state trials.

His statement was that he competed well at the Australian Nationals. The team he was riding for is unimportant, as keep in mind he still rides in the same championships wearing a Sky jersey. He came 4th in the National Time Trial a mere 2 months ago. So having a strong performance at a young age in these championships, I believe, is a heavy indicator of future performance.

Just for an interesting discussion, Richie came 4th in the time trial at the 2010 World Championships and in 2013 came 4th in the time trial at the Australian National Championship. What does this say about his doping in 2010, compared to 2013?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

His statement was that he competed well at the Australian Nationals. The team he was riding for is unimportant, as keep in mind he still rides in the same championships wearing a Sky jersey. He came 4th in the National Time Trial a mere 2 months ago. So having a strong performance at a young age in these championships, I believe, is a heavy indicator of future performance.

It certainly says something. He is an order of magnitude better than the 3 riders in front of him for the remainder of the season:

1 Luke Durbridge (WA) 0:43:26.71
2 Rohan Dennis (SA) 0:00:21.27
3 Michael Matthews (ACT) 0:00:45.14
4 Richard Porte (Tas) 0:00:48.15

 

[blackcat]

Tasmania! Lol!

Tasmania amateur team! Are you serious!?

Its like saying a rider did well at the Alaskan state trials.

you underestimate the tasmanian cycling talent.

its like the flanders equivalent of van diemans land.

i think a teams pursuit went under 4 minutes at the national titles, about 6 years ago when goss was 18/19. unheard of even at Worlds, when average is two teams go under 4mins.

the sulzberger brothers, goss, many 6 days track riders.

small state, loads of talent. most come from 'lonny' (launceston)

hogs ignorance is manifest

 

[WinterRider]

It certainly says something. He is an order of magnitude better than the 3 riders in front of him for the remainder of the season:

1 Luke Durbridge (WA) 0:43:26.71
2 Rohan Dennis (SA) 0:00:21.27
3 Michael Matthews (ACT) 0:00:45.14
4 Richard Porte (Tas) 0:00:48.15

I guess it shows us what his true level is when he's not properly prepared.

 

[blackcat]

danny clark
mattie gilmore graeme gilmore
michael grenda

someone seek to raise a better palmares from a province its size.

no, thought not.

Porte and Goss and Sulzbergers et al, are part of a rich history that only naif(s) do not know.

 

[thehog]

His statement was that he competed well at the Australian Nationals. The team he was riding for is unimportant, as keep in mind he still rides in the same championships wearing a Sky jersey. He came 4th in the National Time Trial a mere 2 months ago. So having a strong performance at a young age in these championships, I believe, is a heavy indicator of future performance.

Just for an interesting discussion, Richie came 4th in the time trial at the 2010 World Championships and in 2013 came 4th in the time trial at the Australian National Championship. What does this say about his doping in 2010, compared to 2013?

I'm one of Richie's biggest fans. I like him a lot.

I'm just upset he got mixed up in this mess.

He's a good guy. Just a bit dumb.

But he really didn't need to go down this path. He would have been a darn good rider without the 500cc packed.

 

[Papa Kel]

someone seek to raise a better palmares from a province its size.

Yes, Tasmania has a knack of producing cyclists. Also, the mountains of Tasmania were where Cadel first showed he had what it really took IMO.

I know the Basque Country has a population of roughly 2,000,000 compared to Tasmania's 500,000, but it still deserves to be in that general discussion.

 

[blackcat]

and as i have said on here before RP set the record up Mt Wellington beating a Cadel Evans record.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/echoes-of-evans-in-portes-bigtime-debut-20100531-wrez.html

lots of disinformation about RP.

I think RP and Froome would admit to close friends or colleagues, they are imbibing in the culture of the sport /dopin.

but it ain't kosher to say so publicly atm. they still work damn hard, and put in the hours and sweat n toil. and have a baseline physiology off the bell curve.

really, these threads are begging the question. everyone knows, like ullrich said, what the history and their eyes tell them.

this does not justify the ignorance on individual rider's history(s). ok, sure you can post a youtube clip or a jpeg of Froome riding parallel to the finish on the Cauberg in Amstel. but everyone has gone au bloc and bonked when they have ridden a classic. come one folks.

 

[Ferminal]

Porte beat the record in an MTT as opposed to 150km road stage.

 

[blackcat]

Yes, Tasmania has a knack of producing cyclists. Also, the mountains of Tasmania were where Cadel first showed he had what it really took IMO.

I know the Basque Country has a population of roughly 2,000,000 compared to Tasmania's 500,000, but it still deserves to be in that general discussion.

just added the Washington climb post ^.

the culture is conducive to goin for a ride.

and the historic summer carnivals for track competitions, bled into decent riding w/o packed automobile roads, during winter. queue Triffids wide open road. they also had a pretty good australian rules football culture producing many fine exports across the tasman.

 

[Papa Kel]

and as i have said on here before RP set the record up Mt Wellington beating a Cadel Evans record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ZgobjFM0c (as i posted about 30 minutes ago)

Very impressive.

 

[blackcat]

Porte beat the record in an MTT as opposed to 150km road stage.

and?

this thread is supposed to be about baiting richie, need to go a bit harder.

 

[Ferminal]

and?

this thread is supposed to be about baiting richie, need to go a bit harder.

and, be careful drawing conclusions about said result given the difference in circumstances.