Rider salaries

[Dear Wiggo]

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@ King Boonen, I'm not disagreeing with you, just a bit less pessimistic about their wages and chances. Granted, I forgot the staff which probably halves the price money.

@DW I would love to know as well, but I think it's impossible to do such a calculation, especially if the result of doping is hard to predict. It's not a matter of just cramming in more doping and you will certainly become a winner.

Appreciate the calcs are difficult, but using a bit of 80/20 and allowing manipulation of the few variables should at least give us a range that can be considered believable.

I'd like to bring in some other data as well, like CQ and what not but that is down the track a bit eh?

 

[King Boonen]

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A couple of stories of prize money and the like not being paid either
* by the race organisers
* by the team to the riders

I realise there is prize money and that is definitely a part of the package, but for me that is a limited subset of the riders and a random allocation, or going to the better riders on the better wage.

I am really interested in looking at cost:benefit of doping and its impact on the cyclist's salary, which is typically a guaranteed income -- although there are stories (JV & Trent Lowe springs to mind but there are other) where even that is withheld.

This would be extremely interesting, but sounds like very hard data to come by.

It's enough to get salary budget and # of staff / riders, I think. Or even plain old budget and use a % for salaries.

There was a page somewhere with all the team's budgets once I think?

Inrng usually has the most up to date stuff, I think he does it once or twice a year.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

A couple of stories of prize money and the like not being paid either
* by the race organisers
* by the team to the riders

I realise there is prize money and that is definitely a part of the package, but for me that is a limited subset of the riders and a random allocation, or going to the better riders on the better wage.

I am really interested in looking at cost:benefit of doping and its impact on the cyclist's salary, which is typically a guaranteed income -- although there are stories (JV & Trent Lowe springs to mind but there are other) where even that is withheld.

This would be extremely interesting, but sounds like very hard data to come by.

It's enough to get salary budget and # of staff / riders, I think. Or even plain old budget and use a % for salaries.

There was a page somewhere with all the team's budgets once I think?

Inrng usually has the most up to date stuff, I think he does it once or twice a year.

Ah yes. He does good Sky breakdowns too. I'll check it out thanks.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

@ King Boonen, I'm not disagreeing with you, just a bit less pessimistic about their wages and chances. Granted, I forgot the staff which probably halves the price money.

I know fella, it's a good discussion. None of us can know for sure but it's good to get a bigger picture with more people chiming in.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

A couple of stories of prize money and the like not being paid either
* by the race organisers
* by the team to the riders

I realise there is prize money and that is definitely a part of the package, but for me that is a limited subset of the riders and a random allocation, or going to the better riders on the better wage.

I am really interested in looking at cost:benefit of doping and its impact on the cyclist's salary, which is typically a guaranteed income -- although there are stories (JV & Trent Lowe springs to mind but there are other) where even that is withheld.

This would be extremely interesting, but sounds like very hard data to come by.

It's enough to get salary budget and # of staff / riders, I think. Or even plain old budget and use a % for salaries.

There was a page somewhere with all the team's budgets once I think?

Inrng usually has the most up to date stuff, I think he does it once or twice a year.

Ah yes. He does good Sky breakdowns too. I'll check it out thanks.

I think he also highlights teams who may have "extra" funding that's not included in the budgets which will be very helpful.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Speaking of staff, it would be amazing to track soigneurs, mechanics and DSs between teams.

 

[Franklin]

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Speaking of staff, it would be amazing to track soigneurs between teams

HAHAHAHAHA. Do that and you will loose any sliver of doubt you have about the state of doping in the peloton.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Speaking of staff, it would be amazing to track soigneurs between teams

HAHAHAHAHA. Do that and you will loose any sliver of doubt you have about the state of doping in the peloton.

Too obvious, huh?

 

[Red Rick]

Interesting thread.

When comparing to other sports, I wouldn't compare it to individual sports. When saying riders don't make as much as tennis players, that's only true for the top 10-20 in the race or so, because tennis incomes are even more lopsided. Tennis below the ATP level is a financial drama. That said, I don't know how much your average #80 journeyman makes from endorsements.