Rider schedules for 2016.

[BigMac]

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JV signed Uran as their new leader for the Giro. I wonder what the role of Rolland is going to be. Co-leading the Tour with Talansky? In my opinion, Rolland deserves to be their sole leader with Talansky as super-dom.

Jonathan Vaughters, CEO of Slipstream Sports and Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling, said that Rolland’s riding style reminds him of Thierry Claveyrolat, one of his favorite riders of all time due to that riding style, and is capable of winning the Tour de France Polka Dot Jersey

http://slipstreamsports.com/2015/08/27/cannondale-garmin-announce-pierre-rolland-will-join-the-team-in-2016/

And I don't think Rolland deserves having Talansky as a domestique until he proves to be the strongest of these two in the early climbs of Tour de France 2016. They should both be protected riders at the start of the race. Rolland has been Europcar's leader for many years and never achieved anything spectacular GC-wise. He doesn't deserve a proven top10 GT GC finisher to sacrifice for him right from the beginning.

Herm... Pierre has the better GT palmares of the two. Not to mention he rides very aggressively and often loses time because of that.

 

[Anderis]

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Herm... Pierre has the better GT palmares of the two. Not to mention he rides very aggressively and often loses time because of that.

Slightly better, but not enough to justify having all team around him unless he proves to be stronger than his team-mates on course of the race IMO. I doubt there will be such necessity, though.

 

[Velolover2]

I might be biased, but Pierre is more charismatic and fun to watch. He looks more like a leader to me.

Talansky is a good rider, but he has only 4 wins and works better as engine in the group. If he was at Sky or Astana, he would have been a pure dom.

 

[hrotha]

It's pointless to put a leash on one of your potential leaders to help the other come 8th or whatever.

 

[Brullnux]

PIerre is a really good climber on his day and has much more chance of winning a stage than Talansky. However, why not send him to the giro? $th lat time in 2014, where a 40km similar-ish TT to now was in it, along with a TTT where Europcar would have probably lost a minute or so. Also back to really high altitude with one proper mountains stage that suits Pierre as he will probably attack on the Passo Pordoi, then Giau, then Valporola then with a final dig up Mur dl Giat.

Seriously, it will be much better to see him at the Giro, depends on the Tour route though, I admit.

 

[Velolover2]

I agree with you Brullnux. Having both Uran and Rolland there would be awesome.

The Tour will be boring anyway, so it fits Talansky.

 

[Velolover2]

Stannard is comfirmed for Flanders and Roubaix. He may skip Het Volk, but I don't even think Sky will show up in that race next year. Not all pro-teams have to show up in a race like that as far as I know.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/stannard-may-forgo-het-nieuwsblad-hat-trick-in-favour-of-paris-roubaix-success-192472

 

[Billie]

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Stannard is comfirmed for Flanders and Roubaix. He may skip Het Volk,

lol how stupid is that

 

[TMP402]

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Stannard is comfirmed for Flanders and Roubaix. He may skip Het Volk,

lol how stupid is that

Well he seems to peak for the Arabian races and the opening Belgian weekend and then declines until he does nothing at P-R. Of course this is mostly because he is working for others later on in the cobbled season, but still.

 

[HelloDolly]

I think Thomas not riding Paris Roubaiz is madness. Its a race he can win . also the Tour plan B wonlt work imo. Sooner or Later he will have to sacrifice himself for Froome. Its happened with Porte & Thomas. already

I think Thomas should ride the Giro if he wnats to win a GT & with 3 TT stages he has a better chance than Landa. also can't see SKY puttign all their eggs in the Landa stream 2. He has not earned his spurs yet and one good GT results does nto guarantee anything. He has never ridden a grand tour as a leader yet and all the pressure than entails ( just ask Richie Porte)

 

[Billie]

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I think Thomas not riding Paris Roubaiz is madness. Its a race he can win . also the Tour plan B wonlt work imo. Sooner or Later he will have to sacrifice himself for Froome. Its happened with Porte & Thomas. already

I think Thomas should ride the Giro if he wnats to win a GT & with 3 TT stages he has a better chance than Landa. also can't see SKY puttign all their eggs in the Landa stream 2. He has not earned his spurs yet and one good GT results does nto guarantee anything. He has never ridden a grand tour as a leader yet and all the pressure than entails ( just ask Richie Porte)

SO Landa shouldn't be the leader cause he hasn't proven enough in GT's instead Thomas, who has proven much less, should be the leader

 

[HelloDolly]

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I think Thomas not riding Paris Roubaiz is madness. Its a race he can win . also the Tour plan B wonlt work imo. Sooner or Later he will have to sacrifice himself for Froome. Its happened with Porte & Thomas. already

I think Thomas should ride the Giro if he wnats to win a GT & with 3 TT stages he has a better chance than Landa. also can't see SKY puttign all their eggs in the Landa stream 2. He has not earned his spurs yet and one good GT results does nto guarantee anything. He has never ridden a grand tour as a leader yet and all the pressure than entails ( just ask Richie Porte)

SO Landa shouldn't be the leader cause he hasn't proven enough in GT's instead Thomas, who has proven much less, should be the leader

Ddin't say that ...I said not put all your eggs in the Landa basket . maybe you are not au fait with the term ?

and anyway Giro parcours are better suited to Thomas in 2016

 

[42x16ss]

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JV signed Uran as their new leader for the Giro. I wonder what the role of Rolland is going to be. Co-leading the Tour with Talansky? In my opinion, Rolland deserves to be their sole leader with Talansky as super-dom.

Jonathan Vaughters, CEO of Slipstream Sports and Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling, said that Rolland’s riding style reminds him of Thierry Claveyrolat, one of his favorite riders of all time due to that riding style, and is capable of winning the Tour de France Polka Dot Jersey

http://slipstreamsports.com/2015/08/27/cannondale-garmin-announce-pierre-rolland-will-join-the-team-in-2016/

And I don't think Rolland deserves having Talansky as a domestique until he proves to be the strongest of these two in the early climbs of Tour de France 2016. They should both be protected riders at the start of the race. Rolland has been Europcar's leader for many years and never achieved anything spectacular GC-wise. He doesn't deserve a proven top10 GT GC finisher to sacrifice for him right from the beginning.

Herm... Pierre has the better GT palmares of the two. Not to mention he rides very aggressively and often loses time because of that.

Rolland's big problem is losing too much time in the first week. When you start the mountains 5-10 minutes down already then you've already lost any real chance of a podium. Best example was 2014 Giro.

Rolland is IMO a more worthy leader on the condition that Cannondale babysit him and don't let him lose time in the first week. Europcar never did this and he missed out on a couple of GT podiums as a result.

 

[Bushman]

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Adam Yates: Targeting week long stage races and strong results in the Ardennes classics, Simon will probably follow a similar schedule. Both will also ride the Tour again next year.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/adam-yates-eyeing-success-in-week-long-stage-races-in-2016-186198

Adam is a little more punchy/explosive while Simon is the better climber, right? Although the different between them is small.

Not really. In u23 it was the exact opposite with Adam going well in the gc in Avenir while Simon picked ud two stage wins in medium mountains/hills.

Right now Adam is probably the better climber (or more consistent at least) but they are so alike that it's hard to judge.

 

[Velolover2]

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I think Thomas not riding Paris Roubaiz is madness. Its a race he can win . also the Tour plan B wonlt work imo. Sooner or Later he will have to sacrifice himself for Froome. Its happened with Porte & Thomas. already

I think Thomas should ride the Giro if he wnats to win a GT & with 3 TT stages he has a better chance than Landa. also can't see SKY puttign all their eggs in the Landa stream 2. He has not earned his spurs yet and one good GT results does nto guarantee anything. He has never ridden a grand tour as a leader yet and all the pressure than entails ( just ask Richie Porte)

I think that's the same as saying why Valverde isn't riding the Giro because it "suits" him.

For Thomas, you'll most likely see another Wiggo/Porte scenario in the Giro. A carefully planned schedule for an established rider is doomed to be a failure in Giro d'Italia. It's always chaotic. And Froome needs Thomas by his side. He needs him to be fresh for the Tour. A race that they both love more than the Giro. Next year, they will be like Siamese twins. Inseparable. They'll share the same program. The Plan B is bigger than the just the Tour. Since Froome is often absent and fragile early in the year, Thomas is ready to step in as leader if he becomes ill or injured. Also, Stannard deserves to be a leader in the classics after seasons as workhorse.

Landa joined the Sky for a leadership role in a Grand Tour. Of course you can say that he can just ride the Vuelta as a leader, but I am sure that the Giro was always in his (and Brailsford's) sight. He's more anarchistic in his way of riding which is the right approach to the Giro. An approach Sky never tried.

It doesn't matter how many time trials are. Brailsford would love to try to develop young man like him. He can win the mountain time trial and and the right training, he can do really well in the hilly one.

Have faith, mate. Brailsford knows what he is doing.

 

[Velolover2]

Peter Sagan has three main goals as excepted: Milano-Sanremo, Tour of Flanders, Paris-Roubaix. Will he finally win a Monument?

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/peter-sagan-rainbow-jersey-or-not-i-have-to-keep-training-194435

 

[pastronef]

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Stannard is comfirmed for Flanders and Roubaix. He may skip Het Volk, but I don't even think Sky will show up in that race next year. Not all pro-teams have to show up in a race like that as far as I know.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/stannard-may-forgo-het-nieuwsblad-hat-trick-in-favour-of-paris-roubaix-success-192472

from 2010, in 6 editions they won 3 times (Flecha 2010, Stannard 2014-2015) and were on the podium twice (Flecha 2nd 2011, 3rd 2012)
their most successfull 1 day race.
so I think they will be there again

 

[staubsauger]

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Stannard is comfirmed for Flanders and Roubaix. He may skip Het Volk, but I don't even think Sky will show up in that race next year. Not all pro-teams have to show up in a race like that as far as I know.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/stannard-may-forgo-het-nieuwsblad-hat-trick-in-favour-of-paris-roubaix-success-192472

from 2010, in 6 editions they won 3 times (Flecha 2010, Stannard 2014-2015) and were on the podium twice (Flecha 2nd 2011, 3rd 2012)
their most successfull 1 day race.
so I think they will be there again

It's a good race weekend for Van Poppel to peak on. Why shouldn't they go to Omloop and K-B-K, then!?

Stannard to lead in the big classics later on.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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I think Thomas should ride the Giro if he wnats to win a GT & with 3 TT stages he has a better chance than Landa

Setting aside the lunacy of thinking Thomas has a chance of winning the Giro, the three TTs are a prologue, a 40km one with several climbs, and a mountain TT. In the first Landa will barely lose any time, in the second he'll lose less time than he did this year and in the third he would do far better than Thomas, possibly win it.

Do you seriously not see the difference between a flat TT and a mountain climb?

 

[Velolover2]

Yep, GuyIncognito. Being the nerd that I am, I've read enough articles to tell that Sky's Giro and Tour squads are almost settled. Landa was bought to lead the Giro. Thomas' role next year is being Froome's new Porte. They will share the same calendar.

My guess is that team Froome (+ Thomas, Poels, Roche, Boswell) will ride (perhaps Down Under for the UCI points), Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.

And team Landa (+ Intxausti, Nieve, Henao, Kiry) will ride Oman, Tirreno–Adriatico, Pais Vasco (Landa's home race), Tirreno–Adriatico, Giro.

From what I know, Froome will also ride the Vuelta. So only one GT for Landa.

 

[Velolover2]

Landa's team will basically become a mini-version of Movistar. Do Sky has any Spanish coaches? Because they might need one.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Yep, GuyIncognito. Being the nerd that I am, I've read enough articles to tell that Sky's Giro and Tour squads are almost settled. Landa was bought to lead the Giro. Thomas' role next year is being Froome's new Porte. They will share the same calendar.

My guess is that team Froome (+ Thomas, Poels, Roche, Boswell) will ride (perhaps Down Under for the UCI points), Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.

And team Landa (+ Intxausti, Nieve, Henao, Kiry) will ride Oman, Tirreno–Adriatico, Pais Vasco (Landa's home race), Tirreno–Adriatico, Giro.

From what I know, Froome will also ride the Vuelta. So only one GT for Landa.

Landa wont just ride one GT, as a leader, most likely, but he will do either the Tour of Vuelta afterwards. Would be a waste of money if he didnt

 

[HelloDolly]

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I think Thomas should ride the Giro if he wnats to win a GT & with 3 TT stages he has a better chance than Landa

Setting aside the lunacy of thinking Thomas has a chance of winning the Giro, the three TTs are a prologue, a 40km one with several climbs, and a mountain TT. In the first Landa will barely lose any time, in the second he'll lose less time than he did this year and in the third he would do far better than Thomas, possibly win it.

Do you seriously not see the difference between a flat TT and a mountain climb?

maybe if you want to engage ina debate with someone you might hold off the scarcastic arrogant comments
My opinion is not lunancy.. Thomas has as good a chance of wining the Giro as anyone excluding the top 4 GT riders. The parcours is not just TTs but there is not all that amount of high mountain finishes as we have seen in other years

I don't think Thomas will ride the Giro and will stick with Froome for the Tour and will be sacrificed for the yellow jersey.Hence why I think he should at least ride PR .

 

[HelloDolly]

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Yep, GuyIncognito. Being the nerd that I am, I've read enough articles to tell that Sky's Giro and Tour squads are almost settled. Landa was bought to lead the Giro. Thomas' role next year is being Froome's new Porte. They will share the same calendar.

My guess is that team Froome (+ Thomas, Poels, Roche, Boswell) will ride (perhaps Down Under for the UCI points), Paris-Nice, Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour.

And team Landa (+ Intxausti, Nieve, Henao, Kiry) will ride Oman, Tirreno–Adriatico, Pais Vasco (Landa's home race), Tirreno–Adriatico, Giro.

From what I know, Froome will also ride the Vuelta. So only one GT for Landa.

Froome is not riding the Vuelta in 2016...he has 3 objectives ... Tour, Olympic TT & Olympic RR gold

Landa will be given leadership in Giro which he has expressed a desire to ride.but with Nibali, Valverde & Dumoulin , etc I think he will find it hard to win
As he has never won one GT yet & SKY have other riders I think he will have one leadership guarantee and will ride in support of Froome at the Tour.ridiculous to say that a rider who has not won a GT would automatically be given leadership in 2 while other riders have no opportunities

Same old rubbish on here as last year . A rider does a good race and he is going to win everything according to 'experts' here . These boards last year had Pinot, Bardet, Konig leading everything in 2015. The peloton is full of very good climbers and riders that have podiumed in GTs and won more races than Landa. He is a good rider but he is not the second coming

 

[JRanton]

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Landa's team will basically become a mini-version of Movistar. Do Sky has any Spanish coaches? Because they might need one.

Yup, they have a Basque coach. Poached him from Movistar last year.