Riding Against both Father and Son

[Nirvana]

Danny and Boy van Poppel are brothers, not father and son. Embarrassing mistake.

Their father Jean Paul was a cyclist as well and in his last three seasons Grandpa Rebellin was already riding.

 

[tobydawq]

Their father Jean Paul was a cyclist as well and in his last three seasons Grandpa Rebellin was already riding.

I know and I thought that was a bit obvious

 

[RedheadDane]

I know and I thought that was a bit obvious

Don't worry. I totally got the joke.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Sean Kelly might be one of the few riders to ride against both Eddy Merckx and his superior son, Axel. Both Kelly and Axel Merckx rode Catalunya in 1993 and Driedaagse De Panne in 1994.

And against Eddy in 1977. WRR in San Cristobal and Criterium du Dauphiné and a few other races. That's quite a span of time.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Does anybody know which ex-pros rode l'Eroica in 2014? There's the potential for something unique there as there might be people who rode against both Gerrie and Roxane Knetemann as a result, but the only photos of pros I can find there are of the Rabo girls in their period costume and PFP in Gerrie's old rainbow jersey.

 

[search]

Does anybody know which ex-pros rode l'Eroica in 2014? There's the potential for something unique there as there might be people who rode against both Gerrie and Roxane Knetemann as a result, but the only photos of pros I can find there are of the Rabo girls in their period costume and PFP in Gerrie's old rainbow jersey.

you can find the full list of participants from 2014 via archive.org

L'EROICA Participants list

FROM 1997 L'EROICA IS A EXAMPLE OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL HERITAGE, OF THE SUSTAINABLE LIFESTYLE OF CLEAN CYCLING. A WORLD WHERE EVERYONE IS THE HERO IN HIS OWN WAY: WHERE THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN SACRIFICE WITH A SMILE FOR A HEALTHY PASSION.Participants list

web.archive.org

I'm afraid you'd need to filter for pros manually, though.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Sean Kelly might be one of the few riders to ride against both Eddy Merckx and his superior son, Axel. Both Kelly and Axel Merckx rode Catalunya in 1993 and Driedaagse De Panne in 1994.

Axel Mercxx rode against Niklas Axelsson many times too, so there could be riders, who have raced against all three of them.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So, I got curious and did a bit of snooping around. There are a bunch of riders in the pro peloton who have been riding against both a father and his son. Here are a few examples:

Mauri and Wim Vansevenant (any riders who turned pro in 2008 or earlier)
Rick and Erik Zabel (same as above)
Pavel and Alexei (2005 or earlier)

Anyone who can think of others (doesn't have to involve currently active riders)?

If you have both raced against a PCS clone and the rider, who was orignally cloned, would that count?

 

[Cannavaro]

Andrea Tafi raced against Endrio Leoni (for example at Tirreno Adriatico 1991) and his son Alberto Leoni in V4 Special Series Vasarosnameny - Nyiregyhaza 2019. In fact he has beaten him quite easily in the bunch sprint (place 45 to place 50). Something which Tafi rarely accomplished against his father.

 

[RedheadDane]

If you have both raced against a PCS clone and the rider, who was orignally cloned, would that count?

Pretty sure there are also riders who have raced against both "Romain Sicard" and "Romain Cardis".

 

[Captain Sensible]

Malcolm Elliott was a teammate at Fagor of Stephen Roche in 1988. In 2009, at the age of 48 he raced in the Tour of Britain against Nicolas (coming 16th on GC). The year before he had raced against his nephew Dan Martin.

Elliot also raced against Dan Martin,s Dad .

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Stefano Zanini has been teammates with both Roman Kreuzigers

 

[Netserk]

So which father and son couples (both professionals) have not had anyone race against both of them? To start with has there been such a father and son couple were both of them has started a GT?

 

[roundabout]

So which father and son couples (both professionals) have not had anyone race against both of them? To start with has there been such a father and son couple were both of them has started a GT?

Johny Schleck and sons

if I understood you correctly

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So which father and son couples (both professionals) have not had anyone race against both of them? To start with has there been such a father and son couple were both of them has started a GT?

On the former, I'm having a hard time tracing anybody that might have raced against Hans-Jürgen Geschke (a track rider who retired in the late 70s) and his son Simon, since Jürgen was 42 when Simon was born and they specialised in completely different types of racing. Matthias Kittel rode for SC Turbine Erfurt in the early 80s but retired in 1984 so it's unlikely anybody who rode against him rode against Marcel.

 

[Netserk]

Correct, roundabout.

 

[Parker]

If you look at the mother/daughter side, Beryl and Denise Burton were actually rivals for several years. They filled the top two positions at the British Championships in 1973 and 1976. When Denise won in 1976, her mother refused to shake her hand on the podium

 

[rghysens]

So which father and son couples (both professionals) have not had anyone race against both of them? To start with has there been such a father and son couple were both of them has started a GT?

Well, if we look at father-son couples where the father was only a pro for a short time, we could find some extra.
André & Tom Boonen
Patrick & Remco Evenepoel
But André, Patrick and Remconever started a GT.
What about Adri & Matthieu (and David) Van der Poel? Sven Nys raced against both, but I don't know if that includes road races.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Joop Zoetemelk was both teammates with and rode against Raymond Poulidor and Adrie van der Poel.

 

[RedheadDane]

Joop Zoetemelk was both teammates with and rode against Raymond Poulidor and Adrie van der Poel.

But did he also ride against Corinne Poulidor?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

But did he also ride against Corinne Poulidor?

No, but Adrie was still a son to Raymond Poulidor.

 

[Parker]

So which father and son couples (both professionals) have not had anyone race against both of them? To start with has there been such a father and son couple were both of them has started a GT?

I don’t think anyone would have ridden against Davis and Taylor Phinney. Both rode the Tour

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Sometime in the future we could also have the Vino-option, but maybe Andrey Zeits has already raced against both generations in local races.

 

[Mosul]

Stijn Devolder rode against Laurent Madouas and Valentin Madouas.

Sylvain Chavanel too. Going by PCS he rode against a Madouas in both his first and last road races as a pro.

 

[lemon cheese cake]

Andre Greipel has raced against both of the Zabels. Although it was in different seasons, Greipel has also ridden for the same team as both Erik and Rick.