Rob Hayles (and David Brailsford)

[Dear Wiggo]

I fully agree with everyone who says 50,3% is extremely suspicious to say the least, especially in an athlete in his prime who doesn't already have a "TUE" (or whatever it's called in a case like this) for a naturally high hematocrit.

But this part has me intrigued - 25% of weightlifters? How does that happen? I don't follow that sport, but I've never heard of a weightlifter getting busted for EPO and google doesn't turn up much on first glance either. I'm surprised there would be a noticable benefit from higher hematocrit for those short efforts. Or is it about recuperation?

Testosterone increases retics and thus Hgb.

 

[spalco]

Ah, I see. Didn't know that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

But this part has me intrigued - 25% of weightlifters? How does that happen? I don't follow that sport, but I've never heard of a weightlifter getting busted for EPO and google doesn't turn up much on first glance either. I'm surprised there would be a noticable benefit from higher hematocrit for those short efforts. Or is it about recuperation?

Current Aussie sanctions list: http://asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/sanctions.html

There's a surfer done, for weed. How cliched. Ahem.

But look at all the guys that need to be big: rugby players and body builders. Done for stimulants or steroids. Anabolic = build / increase.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Last week Mick MacMannus died. He was a professional wrestler here in the UK in the 60's. Professional wrestling used to get huge viewing figures in the 1960s. I believe one FA Cup final day it outdid the footy. It was soooooo thrilllliiiing. All those fantastic throws and guys looking like they were out for the count, could barely put on foot in front of the other and then, wow, the sponge, a splash of water and Lazarus was not only up, but fighting with the strength of 10. MacMannus was the arch villain. For the best part of 20 years these guys pretended and conned. They could not have got away with it without the commentators giving it a gleaming gloss of credibility.

Nobody of my generation now claims anything other than they could see right through it at the time. That is not quite like I remember it at the time. In fact I seem to remember that my father made himself quite unpopular in our street by daring to suggest that it was one giant con and only an idiot would waste a Saturday afternoon watching such fantasy, thinking they were watching a sporting contest.

Rob Hayles has completed a highly successful career as a professional cyclist.

I remember reading an article in the late 90's, one of the genre asking the subject what his favourite book was.
Q "Who is your favourite sportsman?"
R "My Dad."
Rob Halyes' dad completed a highly successful career as a professional wrestler.

Clearly there is evidence that professional cycling is totally unlike professional wrestling. One uses a machine with 2 wheels the other is equipment free.

 

[rata de sentina]

I was hoping for much better analysis from you, rata.

I am happy to talk about other tests in some detail but I'm not going to go banging on about Hct because I don't think it amounts to much.

One thing I will say though is that I would like to see the biopassport used more in this way ie as a health check. At the moment being used to sanction people the burden of proof means that only the most glaring cases are being actioned. I think it should be used more to 'suspend' people with suspicious looking profiles you know for their 'own good'.

 

[taiwan]

That might already be happening. They aren't going to publicise it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That might already be happening. They aren't going to publicise it.

Not going to publicise looking out for the health of the cyclist?

Huh.

Would seem to be a good UCI mgt selling point.

 

[blackcat]

Last week Mick MacMannus died. He was a professional wrestler here in the UK in the 60's. Professional wrestling used to get huge viewing figures in the 1960s. I believe one FA Cup final day it outdid the footy. It was soooooo thrilllliiiing. All those fantastic throws and guys looking like they were out for the count, could barely put on foot in front of the other and then, wow, the sponge, a splash of water and Lazarus was not only up, but fighting with the strength of 10. MacMannus was the arch villain. For the best part of 20 years these guys pretended and conned. They could not have got away with it without the commentators giving it a gleaming gloss of credibility.

Nobody of my generation now claims anything other than they could see right through it at the time. That is not quite like I remember it at the time. In fact I seem to remember that my father made himself quite unpopular in our street by daring to suggest that it was one giant con and only an idiot would waste a Saturday afternoon watching such fantasy, thinking they were watching a sporting contest.

Rob Hayles has completed a highly successful career as a professional cyclist.

I remember reading an article in the late 90's, one of the genre asking the subject what his favourite book was.
Q "Who is your favourite sportsman?"
R "My Dad."
Rob Halyes' dad completed a highly successful career as a professional wrestler.

Clearly there is evidence that professional cycling is totally unlike professional wrestling. One uses a machine with 2 wheels the other is equipment free.

zing!

great post