Roman Kreuziger Discussion Thread

[Kokoso]

Nothing is wrong with the team, only fans who have no idea what cycling is about is wrong. I think it´s about time you drop the bias-ing attitude at get back to reality and objectivity.
Cauberg is not a hill for Kreuziger, in any regards, at a final on Cauberg he better get out of the way, his race is over.

What? I never said or thought Cauberg is hill for Kreuziger. I've never expected that he'll win this. Only I've said that positioning at the foot of climb is very important there. Especially for climber who isn't very explosive - such rider needs more than others to get there in front if he wants to think about good result. You agree with this, don't you? Team didn't help him with anything at all. They never tired to tear the race, sent nobody in escape. Never helped him with positioning. Last 20 km's there was only CAS with him.

I think you should more read what's actually written and less read BS between the lines. Or you just have no idea what cycling is about? Or are you just trying to make a honour to your nickname?

 

[Jancouver]

What? I never said or thought Cauberg is hill for Kreuziger. I've never expected that he'll win this. Only I've said that positioning at the foot of climb is very important there. Especially for climber who isn't very explosive - such rider needs more than others to get there in front if he wants to think about good result. You agree with this, don't you? Team didn't help him with anything at all. They never tired to tear the race, sent nobody in escape. Never helped him with positioning. Last 20 km's there was only CAS with him.

I think you should more read what's actually written and less read BS between the lines. Or you just have no idea what cycling is about? Or are you just trying to make a honour to your nickname?

Did you really think Roman will get some support in AGR? Quite honestly, I even think they only let him ride because he won it last year otherwise his schedule would be more oriented just to support Berti and he get only few shots to ride for himself before he goes back to his super-domestique duties.

 

[karlboss]

I think Kreuziger is aiming for and will be one of the riders to beat in Liege. I really don't think he made any attempt to win AGR, and the team acted accordingly. They safely got him safely through the race and that's job done. If Kreuziger was in the peloton hitting the base of the Cauberg in front or otherwise I don't think he could do much better than 10th. Forcing your way into the front doesn't seem wise for 10th. Instead i think he rode a great race and looks great for Liege. I dare say it will be the one time roles are reversed for the team's top two if Contador rides.

 

[Kokoso]

Did you really think Roman will get some support in AGR? Quite honestly, I even think they only let him ride because he won it last year otherwise his schedule would be more oriented just to support Berti and he get only few shots to ride for himself before he goes back to his super-domestique duties.

How do you think his schedule would look like then? (No Ardennes classics? or?) And why do you think so?

 

[Kokoso]

I think Kreuziger is aiming for and will be one of the riders to beat in Liege. I really don't think he made any attempt to win AGR, and the team acted accordingly. They safely got him safely through the race and that's job done. If Kreuziger was in the peloton hitting the base of the Cauberg in front or otherwise I don't think he could do much better than 10th. Forcing your way into the front doesn't seem wise for 10th. Instead i think he rode a great race and looks great for Liege. I dare say it will be the one time roles are reversed for the team's top two if Contador rides.

Quite that, I think he would like to be in top ten at AGR. Forcing your way to the front doesn't seem wise to reach for to ten? Why not? Agree that his main goal is LBL and he looks in good shape. Probably you are right and he didn't aim to win AGR. What we know is that he didn't make any attempt to win it. Surely he knew that there is almost no chance on the Cauberg fo him. Contador isn't riding LBL (or ale least that's what he sais before). At least they are sending Roche there, but after training his form will be in question. What I disagree is that they did much for his safety. There was lot of time none or only one rider (probably Kroon) alongside and rest od team "safely" at the back of peloton.

 

[karlboss]

Quite that, I think he would like to be in top ten at AGR. Forcing your way to the front doesn't seem wise to reach for to ten? Why not? Agree that his main goal is LBL and he looks in good shape. Probably you are right and he didn't aim to win AGR. What we know is that he didn't make any attempt to win it. Surely he knew that there is almost no chance on the Cauberg fo him. Contador isn't riding LBL (or ale least that's what he sais before). At least they are sending Roche there, but after training his form will be in question. What I disagree is that they did much for his safety. There was lot of time none or only one rider (probably Kroon) alongside and rest od team "safely" at the back of peloton.

Which is why it isn't worth forcing your way to the front. Battling for position for a possible top 10 seems stupid, like GC riders getting involved in a bunch sprint. Safer to stay back a little and make your way through as the peloton stretches.

I don't think Contador will race, but if he does he should work for Kreuziger.

 

[LaFlorecita]

As Contador and the team have said over and over, he won't do any one-day races.

 

[Butterhead]

What? I never said or thought Cauberg is hill for Kreuziger. I've never expected that he'll win this. Only I've said that positioning at the foot of climb is very important there. Especially for climber who isn't very explosive - such rider needs more than others to get there in front if he wants to think about good result. You agree with this, don't you? Team didn't help him with anything at all. They never tired to tear the race, sent nobody in escape. Never helped him with positioning. Last 20 km's there was only CAS with him.

I think you should more read what's actually written and less read BS between the lines. Or you just have no idea what cycling is about? Or are you just trying to make a honour to your nickname?

Kreuziger already said before the race that he felt tired and form isn´t the best. If he was ever going to make a good result it had to be like last year, in a break. And it´s mostly the only way he can win races, as you said, he´s not at all the explosive type.
With what do you want the team to help him with the last 20km?
To get a good result? You still don´t get it, he cant, unless he´s out in front alone.
Kreuziger is a diesel train, not a race horse. He´s strong as an oxe, but winning in a bunch...forget it, and thats why nobody cares that much of positioning him, his race is already over at that point, and his mates knows that. And not to mention, people do get tired dude, its humans, not machines.

The last part of your post....not worth replying to.

 

[Butterhead]

Which is why it isn't worth forcing your way to the front. Battling for position for a possible top 10 seems stupid, like GC riders getting involved in a bunch sprint. Safer to stay back a little and make your way through as the peloton stretches.

I don't think Contador will race, but if he does he should work for Kreuziger.

I thought you knew that days ago, no he´s not racing the Ardennes.
He´s taking a break until may.

 

[Kokoso]

Kreuziger already said before the race that he felt tired and form isn´t the best. If he was ever going to make a good result it had to be like last year, in a break. And it´s mostly the only way he can win races, as you said, he´s not at all the explosive type.
With what do you want the team to help him with the last 20km?
To get a good result? You still don´t get it, he cant, unless he´s out in front alone.
Kreuziger is a diesel train, not a race horse. He´s strong as an oxe, but winning in a bunch...forget it, and thats why nobody cares that much of positioning him, his race is already over at that point, and his mates knows that. And not to mention, people do get tired dude, its humans, not machines.

The last part of your post....not worth replying to.

I still don't get why you are talking about winning AGR, you can save your words if that's your point. I'll quote myself here: "I never said or thought Cauberg is hill for Kreuziger. I've never expected that he'll win this." Please read it again to make sure you understand that finally.
If you consider good result only win, then I don't understand you at all.

People get tired, exactly. But I don't understand what's your point. Probably you mean that when your teammates and helpers get tired sooner, that means they are weaker than others?
He said his form wasn't best and he said the same year before. And what with that? After race he said he hoped for little bit more. Personaly I think he hoped for top ten (as hoped me). That I'd consider really good result. He was very near top ten. He began climb somwhere 25th - 26th place, in the second group, on the top he improved that and on the plateau he towed the group all the way, nobody changed with him only in final they jumped him when he was done. So the Cauberg wasn't all that bad. If you look at AGR 2010 where he finihed fifth you'll see how important it is to be in front when you want to reach good result. This year it was the same: all the big favourites were delivered in front to the foot of the climb. Movistar, BMC, Orica, Omega. All of them had more people there. I don't say and never said Kreuziger was big favourite but it surely could help him to get better result.
The better is team the eaiser you can reach for good result. I think we could agree on that, don't we?
I recommend you to look at San Sebastian 2013 where he almost beat Valverde in sprint. Who would said that? In cycling nothing is sure and often we witness that big favourite don't win.

 

[Jancouver]

I recommend you to look at San Sebastian 2013 where he almost beat Valverde in sprint. Who would said that? In cycling nothing is sure and often we witness that big favourite don't win.

Well, "almost" doesn't count. As you could see today, Roman at his current form is incapable of challenging even the podium. Is he tired? Perhaps, but look at the flower-boy, he raced even more this season and he still managed to get 3rd. and I dont think Valverde has fewer racing days this year either.

 

[infeXio]

Well, "almost" doesn't count. As you could see today, Roman at his current form is incapable of challenging even the podium. Is he tired? Perhaps, but look at the flower-boy, he raced even more this season and he still managed to get 3rd. and I dont think Valverde has fewer racing days this year either.

Yes, because a "climb" like Muur de Huy has always been one Kreuzigers main strengths...

 

[Kokoso]

Well, "almost" doesn't count. As you could see today, Roman at his current form is incapable of challenging even the podium. Is he tired? Perhaps, but look at the flower-boy, he raced even more this season and he still managed to get 3rd. and I dont think Valverde has fewer racing days this year either.

Nope, almost counts. Because you'd probably never even thought that he'd be able to get so close. Everybody'd think that Valverde will win several bike leghts but that didn't happen.

And about FW - honestly I'm pleasantly surprised how he did on Mur de Huy. That was good from him considering that he really don't like this climbs. (What has been sais several times couple lines atop.) I can't exactly see what you mean with that.

 

[Kokoso]

Now LBL is what should suit him best of Ardennes clasics. But there are lots of those who have it similar way. In 2012 he was best of the peloton behind escape. Top five I'd consider great result there.

 

[Publicus]

Assuming he has the stamina and the tactical nous, I think Roman could at least podium LBL. He looked good on the final trip up the Mur today.

 

[Butterhead]

Originally Posted by Kokoso
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Well, you are obviously not capable of discussing in a civil matter but need to get personal and using derogatory terms.
I don´t know how old you are but I suspect it can´t be very much.

You are hereby on ignore since I can´t spend my time on internet trolls and idi....

 

[Jelantik]

Kreuziger is in trajectory at least. 18th on Amstel, 8th on FW. Hopefully close to podium LBL. Hey one can hope so don't trash me

 

[ILovecycling]

Assuming he has the stamina and the tactical nous, I think Roman could at least podium LBL. He looked good on the final trip up the Mur today.

This.
Podium should be his goal on Sunday.I think he can even win it,but opponents are tough ones

 

[karlboss]

I thought you knew that days ago, no he´s not racing the Ardennes.
He´s taking a break until may.

The team has been saying it since last season, but I guess I'm used to teams who offer up names in a race schedule, but until the official announcement it doesn't count for much.
Kreuziger looking good, not sure about the rest of the team coming into LBL, it looks like he could be alone very early.

 

[T-Nielsen]

The team has been saying it since last season, but I guess I'm used to teams who offer up names in a race schedule, but until the official announcement it doesn't count for much.
Kreuziger looking good, not sure about the rest of the team coming into LBL, it looks like he could be alone very early.

CAS should be better at LBL then at AGR and FW. The distance and terrain suits him better. Maybe Nicki Sørensen too if he is in the squad.

 

[karlboss]

CAS should be better at LBL then at AGR and FW. The distance and terrain suits him better. Maybe Nicki Sørensen too if he is in the squad.

Sure, but now compare that to Astana, BMC, or Katusha

 

[Peter von]

Sure, but now compare that to Astana, BMC, or Katusha

But that should also be adjusted for those three teams having bigger stars for the race and under pressure to do more of the work than Tinkoff and so they needs to be stronger. But Kreuziger does lack that strong number two guy who if he himself attack can act as a deterrent in the chase group or attack early and create some panic.

 

[Kokoso]

That's what i mean. The team was rather weak until now. Though CAS yesterday did his job perfectly.
Astana, Belkin, BMC, AGR, Katusha, Movistar, OPQS, probably Lampre, Lotto and Trek - all this teams are stronger on the paper.
Roche should be nice addition, but he's going from training so that's question. Tinkoff wants to win every race but he'll have hard time to reach it with this team
And it's not only Ardennes, T-A, PV was the same. Really weak team except for Contador and Kreuziger. Glad for Rogers because otherwise it wouldn't look very good for TdF.

 

[LaFlorecita]

In Pais Vasco Sutherland, Paulinho and Hernandez did a **** load of work. I don't see why the Tour would be a problem, even without Rogers.

 

[T-Nielsen]

In Pais Vasco Sutherland, Paulinho and Hernandez did a **** load of work. I don't see why the Tour would be a problem, even without Rogers.

Mørkøv also did a very good job on protecting Contador on the flat stages.