Ronde Van Vlaanderen 2012

[hushovd]

cancellara: triple fracture of the collarbone

and the fall was caused by riding over a bottle.

No, the cause was Fabian not having any teammates who can ride a classic or not any teammates or it was their fault or it was simply his fault. It certainly was not the fault of a bottle being on the ground and unavoidable in the pack.

 

[The Sheep]

Euskaltel actually managed to get a finisher (Rubén Pérez at 4'43") home ahead of Philippe Gilbert. Really.

Lotto's first finisher finished behind him as well.

 

[thehog]

cancellara: triple fracture of the collarbone

and the fall was caused by riding over a bottle.

Here's the video. Only RSL riders on the deck.

He rode over a bottle last week as well did he not?

I have to say its terrible for him. I hope he comes back later in the year and takes the Olympic road race.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/vide...012/MG_RVV12_belangrijkste_momenten/1.1261257

 

[Afrank]

Spin it anyway you like but knocking down your own prize fighter with a massive own goal is a sin worse than adultery.

I'm looking forward to hearing Cancellara's own words on the incident.

I suspect he sent a text to Riis from the back of the ambulance saying "Bjarne we need to talk"....

Sure, He's going to go back to a team that has been built around Contador and might lose it's world tour licence, and howw many Saxo riders were there in the final compared to RNT. Crashes happen all the time, it is stupid to blame the whole team for it.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Understood? He doesn't break the rest. You can't bring Tomke to the sprint!

I did get what you meant after I read the second post of your's on this topic.
But I still don't think it's a great way for saying he doens't have any balls or is just an incredibly strange rider.
Because even if you gave him Cancellaras strength I think it wouldn't be any diffrent.... that's why the comparrison didn't work for me.

 

[thehog]

Crashes happen all the time, it is stupid to blame the whole team for it.

Strangely Boonen manages to stay on his bike year after year. I agree it is part of racing but the good riders have a knack of saying on their bikes and a team that makes sure they do.

 

[BillytheKid]

No, the cause was Fabian not having any teammates who can ride a classic or not any teammates or it was their fault or it was simply his fault. It certainly was not the fault of a bottle being on the ground and unavoidable in the pack.

Obviously you've never had to race trough a feedzone. It's totally random and there's not a teammate on earth that can proctect you agaisnt all.

Go back to the clinic where you belong.

 

[maltiv]

Lol Kristoff was 15th, what the ****. Surprise of the day for me. The guy has never shown any potential on either climbs or cobbles before.

 

[thehog]

Obviously you've never had to race trough a feedzone. It's totally random and there's not a teammate on earth that can proctect you agaisnt all.

Go back to the clinic where you belong.

Errrrr no its not random. If you're at the front you don't have bottles been thrown backwards or on the road. If you're in the middle where Cancellara was riding you tend to find strewn bottles... now where was Boonen and team at the feed zone? - Yes thats right. At the front.

 

[rhubroma]

I did get what you meant after I read the second post of your's on this topic.
But I still don't think it's a great way for saying he doens't have any balls or is just an incredibly strange rider.
Because even if you gave him Cancellaras strength I think it wouldn't be any diffrent.... that's why the comparrison didn't work for me.

Who said anything about balls?

He did what he could. He had the Belgian on the ropes, but couldn't finish him off. A fatality.

 

[BillytheKid]

Strangely Boonen manages to stay on his bike year after year. I agree it is part of racing but the good riders have a knack of saying on their bikes and a team that makes sure they do.

Really? Tommy's never had a fall. Very entertaining!

You can keep on posting to the 2% who belive you.

Cheers.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Who said anything about balls?

He did what he could. He had the Belgian on ropes on, but couldn't finish him off. A fatality.

I think that's exactly not what is the case. He doesn't ever take chances, at least I can't come up with even one time he did. Sometimes taking chances is what you have to do. You might say that sprinting against Tommeke is taking a chance, and a huge one it is. But it doesn't involve any active riding.
I'm convinced that Pippo could make much more of himself as a racer, I just don't know whats going on in that guy.

 

[hushovd]

Here's the video. Only RSL riders on the deck.

He rode over a bottle last week as well did he not?

I have to say its terrible for him. I hope he comes back later in the year and takes the Olympic road race.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/vide...012/MG_RVV12_belangrijkste_momenten/1.1261257

You mean only Cancellera down.

At what point in the video does it clearly show the actual crash...like you claimed earlier? Thanks.

 

[hushovd]

Obviously you've never had to race trough a feedzone. It's totally random and there's not a teammate on earth that can proctect you agaisnt all.

Go back to the clinic where you belong.

I hope that was sarcasm, because I thought my post was pretty clear that I was making fun of Hog boy and his ever changing story.

 

[rghysens]

I have no reason not to believe him this time, but Boonen explaining his technical problems is becoming a great gimmick

he did seem to have some gearing problems the first time up the paterberg (much lower cadence compared to others, while it was about the same on the oude kwaremont).

 

[BillytheKid]

Errrrr no its not random. If you're at the front you don't have bottles been thrown backwards or on the road. If you're in the middle where Cancellara was riding you tend to find strewn bottles... now where was Boonen and team at the feed zone? - Yes thats right. At the front.

Right. Anybody who's raced would now that coming into the feed is chaos.
Skill of the team plays less the role than where your feeders are placed. If your slotted middle to the end, you do the best you can.

Where was Omeg-Pharma Quickstep place opposed to RSN's postition?

Even if both were towards the front a random bottle drop is as possible as a puncture.

That's it, plain and simple.

 

[skidmark]

Strangely Boonen manages to stay on his bike year after year. I agree it is part of racing but the good riders have a knack of saying on their bikes and a team that makes sure they do.

Did you watch Paris-Roubaix last year? If so, by your definition QuickStep does not have a classics team.

 

[rhubroma]

I think that's exactly not what is the case. He doesn't ever take chances, at least I can't come up with even one time he did. Sometimes taking chances is what you have to do. You might say that sprinting against Tommeke is taking a chance, and a huge one it is. But it doesn't involve any active riding.
I'm convinced that Pippo could make much more of himself as a racer, I just don't know whats going on in that guy.

Milano San Remo 2008.

But the Tour of Flanders is totally different. He needed to drop the others on the last muur and solo to victory. (See Bartoli)

Even if he had taken a chance in the last kilometers, Ballan would have gone after him, and Boonen would still have won. He was right to have banked on the sprint, however futile, it was his only chance.

 

[thehog]

Right. Anybody who's raced would now that coming into the feed is chaos.
Skill of the team plays less the role than where your feeders are placed. If your slotted middle to the end, you do the best you can.

Where was Omeg-Pharma Quickstep place opposed to RSN's postition?

Even if both were towards the front a random bottle drop is as possible as a puncture.

That's it, plain and simple.

You're making excuses. You know it.

 

[BillytheKid]

I hope that was sarcasm, because I thought my post was pretty clear that I was making fun of Hog boy and his ever changing story.

Sarcasm tripping sarcasm? My bad.

 

[Afrank]

Strangely Boonen manages to stay on his bike year after year. I agree it is part of racing but the good riders have a knack of saying on their bikes and a team that makes sure they do.

Boonen and his team didn't do a good job of making sure he stayed on his bike here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRSi1EkpQM
Even the good riders go down eventually, no matter how good a team they have.

 

[BillytheKid]

You're making excuses. You know it.

lol, lol, lol!

 

[rhubroma]

Point is Cancellara should never have gone down for this reason. Period.

His teammates should have stayed a meter from him and protected him from the others, instead they snatched the refurbishments first. Unexceptable.

 

[skidmark]

We've had less opportunities to judge Vanmarcke's true potential on the monuments. He did seem to fade today, so we'll see.

It seemed like a combination of not having the legs for the distance, not having the experience to ride conservatively enough (closing down 3 attacks after 200km is tough when the group is 10 guys), and maybe not being so good on the hills. He's been a rider that's impressed me more with his accelerations on the cobbled flats than anything, so I think the real test will be next week. I look for him to be better there.

 

[El Pistolero]

Cancellara rode over a bottle when he was taking something out of his bag of food. **** happens, don't think you can blame anyone here... Pointless discussion, let's talk about Boonen!