Rough Attempt at an All-Time Ranking

[Pantani_lives]

We have a new number two. I won't reveal yet who it is. There will be an update after LBL.

 

[hayneplane]

@Pantani_lives where would Pogacar place in the all time list just from his 3 race days this season?

 

[Pantani_lives]

@Pantani_lives where would Pogacar place in the all time list just from his 3 race days this season?

Nowhere near the top 200, but he would already beat Arnaud De Lie.

 

[canina82]

We have a new number two. I won't reveal yet who it is. There will be an update after LBL.

Suggestion: Do it after Romandie because he will score a lot of points there.

 

[Ulle97]

On Procyclingstats he's ranked at 7 all time. He is about to catch and pass Valverde. The likes of Hinault, Kelly and Moser are within sight.
Merckx at no1 seems a bit away still.

 

[vappa]

On Procyclingstats he's ranked at 7 all time. He is about to catch and pass Valverde. The likes of Hinault, Kelly and Moser are within sight.
Merckx at no1 seems a bit away still.

We all know that by any debate he's already at least in the top 3, maybe not by points but in palmares and overall domination

 

[canina82]

We all know that by any debate he's already at least in the top 3, maybe not by points but in palmares and overall domination

He needs 1 TdF and 1 Vuelta to be an undisputed 2nd rider od all times when we just look to palmares.

 

[Blanco]

He needs 1 TdF and 1 Vuelta to be an undisputed 2nd rider od all times when we just look to palmares.

He already is undisputed 2nd imo. The thing is that he could even become the 1st, which is something I thought I would never say.

 

[BahamontesPhantom]

My top ten would start something like
Merckx
Coppi
Bartali
Pogi
Hinault
Anquetil
Not necessarily in that order

Then it’s between
Girardengo, Binda, Indurain, Lemond, Thys, Bobet and one or two others for the other spots

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

If I’m thinking about this right, Wout is now 1 point back from Vingegaard at 51

 

[Pantani_lives]

After the spring classics it's time for an update!

This is the top 6 of the year thus far:

1. Pogačar 100
2. Seixas 51
3. Vingegaard 34
4. Van der Poel 34
5. Van Aert 30
6. Evenepoel 30

Teen prodigy Seixas isn't in the all-time top 200 yet, but doubtlessly he will be in the future. The following riders in the top 200 have taken points:

(3) 2. Tadej Pogačar
(29) 27. Remco Evenepoel
(47) 36. Mathieu van der Poel
(50) 43. Jonas Vingegaard
(51) 51. Nairo Quintana
(56) 52. Wout van Aert
(148) 144. Egan Bernal
(160) 154. Filippo Ganna
(178) 160. Jasper Philipsen

Observations:

• By winning his 13th monument Tadej Pogačar has reached the ominous total of 1313 points. This makes him the second best of all time, with Bernard Hinault well behind him.
• Remco Evenepoel is already bigger than Boonen, and enters the Belgian top 5.
• After overtaking “Grampa” Poulidor, Mathieu van der Poel can finally brag about being the best road cyclist in his family.
• Jonas Vingegaard keeps taking points in stage races, leaving other Tour winners like Ullrich and Fignon behind him.
• Veteran Nairo Quintana defends his place by winning the Asturias.
• Wout van Aert enters the top 10 of the Belgians and gets closer to the top 50.

Hidden behind spoiler brackets is the complete, updated list:

Spoiler: Top 200 of All Time

1 | Eddy Merckx | 2027
2 | Tadej Pogačar | 1313
3 | Bernard Hinault | 1266
4 | Jacques Anquetil | 1075
5 | Fausto Coppi | 1032
6 | Gino Bartali | 1009
7 | Sean Kelly | 958
8 | Alejandro Valverde | 921
9 | Roger De Vlaeminck | 873
10 | Francesco Moser | 830
11 | Alfredo Binda | 789
12 | Felice Gimondi | 778
13 | Costante Girardengo | 765
14 | Miguel Induráin | 740
15 | Rik Van Looy | 733
16 | Primož Roglič | 703
17 | Joop Zoetemelk | 657
18 | Chris Froome | 656
19 | Fabian Cancellara | 637
20 | Louison Bobet | 621
21 | Alberto Contador | 619
22 | Laurent Jalabert | 619
23 | Tony Rominger | 600
24 | Giuseppe Saronni | 599
25 | Vincenzo Nibali | 594
26 | Freddy Maertens | 594
27 | Remco Evenepoel | 548
28 | Tom Boonen | 523
29 | Peter Sagan | 520
30 | Rik Van Steenbergen | 484
31 | Fiorenzo Magni | 475
32 | Learco Guerra | 474
33 | Ferdi Kübler | 473
34 | Philippe Gilbert | 454
35 | Franco Bitossi | 452
36 | Mathieu van der Poel | 451
37 | Johan Museeuw | 446
38 | Erik Zabel | 442
39 | Luis Ocaña | 441
40 | Mario Cipollini | 436
41 | Paolo Bettini | 432
42 | Greg LeMond | 429
43 | Jonas Vingegaard | 425
44 | Raymond Poulidor | 425
45 | Jan Ullrich | 423
46 | Gianni Bugno | 423
47 | Mark Cavendish | 420
48 | Laurent Fignon | 418
49 | Jan Raas | 416
50 | Moreno Argentin | 409
51 | Nairo Quintana | 393
52 | Wout van Aert | 390
53 | Nicolas Frantz | 385
54 | Alex Zülle | 378
55 | Joaquim Rodríguez | 377
56 | Herman Vanspringel | 369
57 | Oscar Freire | 359
58 | Alexander Vinokourov | 356
59 | Charly Gaul | 348
60 | Hugo Koblet | 339
61 | Walter Godefroot | 336
62 | Michele Bartoli | 335
63 | Gaetano Belloni | 334
64 | Jan Janssen | 332
65 | Henri Pélissier | 332
66 | Antonin Magne | 331
67 | Charly Mottet | 324
68 | André Leducq | 323
69 | Stephen Roche | 322
70 | Pedro Delgado | 322
71 | Giovanni Brunero | 322
72 | Bernard Thévenet | 317
73 | Claudio Chiappucci | 317
74 | Julian Alaphilippe | 316
75 | Cadel Evans | 309
76 | François Faber | 307
77 | Philippe Thys | 305
78 | Vittorio Adorni | 303
79 | Abraham Olano | 303
80 | Rudi Altig | 303
81 | Alessandro Petacchi | 300
82 | Hennie Kuiper | 296
83 | Roberto Heras | 289
84 | Gustave Garrigou | 284
85 | Davide Rebellin | 276
86 | Briek Schotte | 275
87 | Gianbattista Baronchelli | 273
88 | Bradley Wiggins | 269
89 | Fred De Bruyne | 265
90 | Gianni Motta | 264
91 | André Darrigade | 263
92 | Nino Defilippis | 262
93 | Lucien Van Impe | 261
94 | Gilberto Simoni | 258
95 | Phil Anderson | 255
96 | Federico Bahamontes | 254
97 | Marino Lejarreta | 253
98 | Damiano Cunego | 252
99 | Stan Ockers | 249
100 | Mads Pedersen | 249
101 | Tony Martin | 246
102 | Geraint Thomas | 245
103 | Michał Kwiatkowski | 245
104 | Julián Berrendero | 242
105 | Eric Vanderaerden | 242
106 | Marco Pantani | 241
107 | Michel Pollentier | 237
108 | Richard Carapaz | 235
109 | Danilo Di Luca | 234
110 | Rolf Sørensen | 234
111 | Francesco Casagrande | 234
112 | Jean Stablinski | 232
113 | Samuel Sánchez | 231
114 | Pascal Richard | 227
115 | Delio Rodríguez | 226
116 | Raymond Impanis | 224
117 | Greg Van Avermaet | 222
118 | Sylvère Maes | 221
119 | Lucien Petit-Breton | 218
120 | Gastone Nencini | 218
121 | Dietrich Thurau | 218
122 | Alexander Kristoff | 216
123 | Ivan Basso | 211
124 | Octave Lapize | 210
125 | Marcel Kint | 210
126 | Simon Yates | 208
127 | Gerrie Knetemann | 208
128 | Tom Dumoulin | 208
129 | Arnaud Démare | 207
130 | Thor Hushovd | 206
131 | Carlos Sastre | 205
132 | Robbie McEwen | 204
133 | Denis Menchov | 203
134 | Stefano Garzelli | 202
135 | Adrie van der Poel | 202
136 | Claude Criquielion | 200
137 | Luis Herrera | 198
138 | Miguel María Lasa | 198
139 | Michele Dancelli | 197
140 | Pavel Tonkov | 196
141 | Ottavio Bottecchia | 195
142 | Giovanni Battaglin | 195
143 | Eddy Planckaert | 195
144 | Egan Bernal | 194
145 | Giuseppe Olmo | 194
146 | Richard Virenque | 193
147 | Georges Ronsse | 192
148 | Miguel Poblet | 192
149 | José Manuel Fuente | 189
150 | Jean Alavoine | 189
151 | Guido Bontempi | 187
152 | Georges Speicher | 186
153 | Heiri Suter | 185
154 | Filippo Ganna | 183
155 | Maurizio Fondriest | 182
156 | Andy Schleck | 181
157 | Andrei Tchmil | 181
158 | Frans Verbeeck | 181
159 | Jasper Philipsen | 180
160 | Mariano Cañardo | 180
161 | Filippo Pozzato | 176
162 | Peter Van Petegem | 174
163 | Adolfo Leoni | 174
164 | Carlo Galetti | 172
165 | John Degenkolb | 172
166 | Joaquim Agostinho | 172
167 | Rui Costa | 171
168 | Maurice De Waele | 171
169 | Ercole Baldini | 171
170 | Jakob Fuglsang | 170
171 | Luigi Ganna | 170
172 | Italo Zilioli | 170
173 | Louis Trousselier | 168
174 | Germain Derycke | 168
175 | Frank Vandenbroucke | 168
176 | Erik Breukink | 168
177 | Andreas Klöden | 167
178 | Pasquale Fornara | 166
179 | Roger Pingeon | 164
180 | Roger Lapébie | 164
181 | Alphonse Schepers | 164
182 | Franco Balmamion | 164
183 | Tom Simpson | 163
184 | Jef Planckaert | 163
185 | Tom Steels | 161
186 | Firmin Lambot | 160
187 | Gaston Rebry | 159
188 | Domingo Perurena | 158
189 | Laurent Dufaux | 157
190 | Robert Millar | 156
191 | Ritchie Porte | 156
192 | Andrew Hampsten | 155
193 | Andrea Tafi | 155
194 | Giovanni Valetti | 154
195 | Daniel Martin | 154
196 | Steven Rooks | 154
197 | Eric Leman | 154
198 | Fränk Schleck | 154
199 | Rigoberto Urán | 154
200 | Marino Basso | 153

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So Pogacar already at 65% of seemingly unreachable Merckx's points tally. If his level and motivation remain high in the next few years he can pass Eddy in your GOAT ranking.

 

[canina82]

So Pogacar already at 65% of seemingly unreachable Merckx's points tally. If his motivation remain high for the next few years he can even pass Eddy in your GOAT ranking.

He needs 2 and half seasons of pure dominance and he will surpass Merckx in this list.

 

[dercuforever]

After today I'm less confident Pogacar will overtake Merckx.
On one hand Seixas could help him remain motivated for a few more years. But he might* win a bit less along the way.
Interesting time, who could have thought in 24' that Pogacar could get even better, yet being almost challenged by a 19 yo.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

After today I'm less confident Pogacar will overtake Merckx.
On one hand Seixas could help him remain motivated for a few more years. But he might* win a bit less along the way.
Interesting time, who could have thought in 24' that Pogacar could get even better, yet being almost challenged by a 19 yo.

I think Pogacar is at his best now (at least in one-day races) but Seixas incredible improvement surprised everyone (even if last year we already knew he's a big talent).

 

[Pantani_lives]

The gap with Merckx is still huge. If you add the points of Pogacar and Roglic together, they would still be second. Pogacar needs to continue his current dominance for at least two and a half more years if he wants to equal Merckx.

There's also the possibility that his dominance becomes a little less, in which case he might need four or five years. Crashes and illnesses can come in the way, and there is younger competition coming up.

But the fact that he's already second is mightily impressive. He's the only rider of the current century in the top 7.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The gap with Merckx is still huge. If you add the points of Pogacar and Roglic together, they would still be second. Pogacar needs to continue his current dominance for at least two and a half more years if he wants to equal Merckx.

There's also the possibility that his dominance becomes a little less, in which case he might need four or five years. Crashes and illnesses can come in the way, and there is younger competition coming up.

But the fact that he's already second is mightily impressive. He's the only rider of the current century in the top 7.

Let's see how motivated Pogacar will be in the next 2-3 years. I have some doubts after some interviews. Plus obviously new big rivals (Seixas) will make it more difficult on Pog's playground (Liege, Lombardia, Tour) but it can also prolong Pog's desire to win.