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Panda Claws said:
Why is Rujano hailed as such an immense talent? Did he ever put 5 minutes into Contador or something?

His physical talent is huge, that's pretty much it. It's his size that hurt him during most GT's. Keeping up with Contador is all he can do with a relatively heavier bike(fixed bike weight), and he has a very high risk of getting ill. He's surely the only one who's kept Contador's wheel when he's at his best.
 
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Pentacycle said:
His physical talent is huge, that's pretty much it. It's his size that hurt him during most GT's. Keeping up with Contador is all he can do with a relatively heavier bike(fixed bike weight), and he has a very high risk of getting ill. He's surely the only one who's kept Contador's wheel when he's at his best.

I hope he won't be only one in 2 years time,Quintana will be the second i hope:cool:
 
Pentacycle said:
His physical talent is huge, that's pretty much it. It's his size that hurt him during most GT's. Keeping up with Contador is all he can do with a relatively heavier bike(fixed bike weight), and he has a very high risk of getting ill. He's surely the only one who's kept Contador's wheel when he's at his best.
As did Steven Kruijswijk :p

I'm not sure we saw Contador at his very best during that Giro, surely not better than when Andy Schleck held his wheel the year before?
 
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theyoungest said:
As did Steven Kruijswijk :p

I'm not sure we saw Contador at his very best during that Giro, surely not better than when Andy Schleck held his wheel the year before?

Contador was at his best in the Giro 2011, and certainly on the Etna. He couldn't drop Rujano until he sprinted away in the last km. And don't start about Kruijswijk, he dropped like a stone after he followed Contador and you know it. :D By that logic Gesink followed Contador on the Cauberg etc. Even Cavendish can hold his wheel a few hundred meters.
 
Pentacycle said:
Contador was at his best in the Giro 2011, and certainly on the Etna. He couldn't drop Rujano until he sprinted away in the last km. And don't start about Kruijswijk, he dropped like a stone after he followed Contador and you know it. :D By that logic Gesink followed Contador on the Cauberg etc. Even Cavendish can hold his wheel a few hundred meters.
Rujano himself lost about a minute to Contador on the finish line on that Gardeccia stage...

I'm just sayin', it's not about managing to follow him for a while, it was Contador who won that Giro and Rujano who got nowhere close. On the Etna stage, Rujano already was off the front. What's hard for most people to follow is his first attack, once he settles into a tempo it's not that bad... and that's when Rujano could latch on.

Contador was just showboating his way through that Giro, in the Tour the year before he was really pushed to the edge.
 
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theyoungest said:
Rujano himself lost about a minute to Contador on the finish line on that Gardeccia stage...

I'm just sayin', it's not about managing to follow him for a while, it was Contador who won that Giro and Rujano who got nowhere close. On the Etna stage, Rujano already was off the front. What's hard for most people to follow is his first attack, once he settles into a tempo it's not that bad... and that's when Rujano could latch on.

Contador was just showboating his way through that Giro, in the Tour the year before he was really pushed to the edge.

Rujano wasn't consistent that Giro, but he still had a few good days. You might not remember it but Scarponi acually was on Contador's wheel after his first attack. When they reached Rujano together Contador again attacked causing Scarponi to explode. However Rujano was able to follow him.

Btw Contador wasn't showboating in 2011 Giro. He was outclassed by Anton on the Angliru on a bad day of his, both Contador and Rujano are worse in bad weather conditions. Everyone including the pink jersey had to give it all in that race.
 
Eshnar said:
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you mean Zoncolan don't you?

if you do,
Contador wasn't really outclassed by anyone. He just followed Nibali and let Anton take his win.

Contador was suffering on the Zoncolan. I think Anton could have taken the stage regardless of the GC situation.

Nibali clawed back to him (twice I think), on a good day AC would have maintained the gap.
 
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Eshnar said:
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you mean Zoncolan don't you?

if you do,
Contador wasn't really outclassed by anyone. He just followed Nibali and let Anton take his win.

Of course I meant the Zoncolan, so confusing :eek:

He let Rujano win on Grossglockner, while Anton was clearly the strongest when he won. Contador would've never won on the Zoncolan and he knew it. That's why he didn't bother trying to close the gap in the last km.
 
Pentacycle said:
Rujano wasn't consistent that Giro, but he still had a few good days. You might not remember it but Scarponi acually was on Contador's wheel after his first attack. When they reached Rujano together Contador again attacked causing Scarponi to explode. However Rujano was able to follow him.

Btw Contador wasn't showboating in 2011 Giro. He was outclassed by Anton on the Angliru on a bad day of his, both Contador and Rujano are worse in bad weather conditions. Everyone including the pink jersey had to give it all in that race.
I mostly remember Contador policing Nibali on that stage. And come on, he won that Giro with an immense gap, causing him to take the last few stages off and just see what the others could do to drop him (nothing, as it turned out).
 
Pentacycle said:
Of course I meant the Zoncolan, so confusing :eek:

He let Rujano win on Grossglockner, while Anton was clearly the strongest when he won. Contador would've never won on the Zoncolan and he knew it. That's why he didn't bother trying to close the gap in the last km.

That was my impression, too. Anton deserved that win. Contador couldn't sustain his attack on Gardeccia either. Scarponi got very close in the end.
 

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theyoungest said:
I mostly remember Contador policing Nibali on that stage. And come on, he won that Giro with an immense gap, causing him to take the last few stages off and just see what the others could do to drop him (nothing, as it turned out).

It was Zoncolan, a climb where anyone does its best to be included in the list of winners. The fact that someone won with an immense gap does not mean someone can not have some difficulties during one separate stage. And it is absolutely normal. No one can be perfect all GT long. Possibly, Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage — we don't know, but he was the strongest on that day.
 
airstream said:
It was Zoncolan, a climb where anyone does its best to be included in the list of winners. The fact that someone won with an immense gap does not mean someone can not have some difficulties during one separate stage. And it is absolutely normal. No one can be perfect all GT long. Possibly, Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage — we don't know, but he was the strongest on that day.

He did. And in the last km, Contador tried everything to gap Nibali, but couldn't. Despite him trying and Anton celebrating, the gap didn't come down in that last km.

Anyone thinking Contador was freewheeling on the Zoncolan and giving away wins is delusional.
 
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theyoungest said:
As did Steven Kruijswijk :p

I'm not sure we saw Contador at his very best during that Giro, surely not better than when Andy Schleck held his wheel the year before?

etna was definitely the best contador. rujano though wasn't at his best
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
etna was definitely the best contador. rujano though wasn't at his best
Lol, yeah otherwise he would have gapped Contador... you really believe this, don't you?

Arnout said:
He did. And in the last km, Contador tried everything to gap Nibali, but couldn't. Despite him trying and Anton celebrating, the gap didn't come down in that last km.

Anyone thinking Contador was freewheeling on the Zoncolan and giving away wins is delusional.
And the Anton fanboy chimes in as well. I said nothing of the sort.
 
Pentacycle said:
He let Rujano win on Grossglockner, while Anton was clearly the strongest when he won. Contador would've never won on the Zoncolan and he knew it. That's why he didn't bother trying to close the gap in the last km.

Its possible you are right but how do.you know it. You write as pure fact that contador " would've never won the zoncolan stage" whatsmore that you have read his mind and can tell us that he knew it himself.

How do you know contador couldn't win that stage and how do you get to coming across .his.private thoughts?

Especially since contador has a history, a well recorded history of absolutely not.giving a **** about stages if he has the jersey.

Its more.probable that contador saw the sheer brutality of zoncolan and the persistence of Conegliano - Gardeccia Val di Fassa as the 2 biggest obstacles to a race win. Because he had 3 minutes on nibali already so cracking was the only way he could lose the title. Especially since he has since said zoncolan is the hardest in the world. So he just rode it easy making sure he stayed near the guy who was closest to him on gc while letting anton take the win

Very similar to bola this year where he just took a steep back knowing he had 2 to play with for the brutal final 3k.
 
airstream said:
It was Zoncolan, a climb where anyone does its best to be included in the list of winners. The fact that someone won with an immense gap does not mean someone can not have some difficulties during one separate stage. And it is absolutely normal. No one can be perfect all GT long. Possibly, Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage — we don't know, but he was the strongest on that day.

Anton was not conserving energy.for that stage as he was fighting the gc battle with scarponi nibali and.co on etna and glossglockner.
 
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theyoungest said:
Lol, yeah otherwise he would have gapped Contador... you really believe this, don't you?


And the Anton fanboy chimes in as well. I said nothing of the sort.

rujano is a better climber than contador even. yes. he would've gained time on him no doubt
 

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Anton was not conserving energy.for that stage as he was fighting the gc battle with scarponi nibali and.co on etna and glossglockner.

Hm, I don't think so. IMO, Anton realized he wouldn't be in top-3 straight after the Etna. Top-5 was unlikely to allure him too much. So Anton felt very relaxed and the stage automatically became his goal. If Anton had ridden for top-5, he would have been prepared better and simply wouldn't have attacked on Zoncolan that early.

Very similar to bola this year where he just took a steep back knowing he had 2 to play with for the brutal final 3k.
He was made to drop. He wanted to win a lot in presence of fellow countrymen, but he was not allowed to do that. That was a very reasonable rejection of risk, but it was weakness as well.
 
airstream said:
Hm, I don't think so. IMO, Anton realized he wouldn't be in top-3 straight after the Etna. Top-5 was unlikely to allure him too much. So Anton felt very relaxed and the stage automatically became his goal. If Anton had ridden for top-5, he would have been prepared better and simply wouldn't have attacked on Zoncolan that early.
Anton was 5th.on grosglockner the day before Zoncolan, putting time into scarponi and nibali. He was only 1.minute down on nibali on gc. So clearly he had not been saving himself for Zoncolan.
 

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Anton was 5th.on grosglockner the day before Zoncolan, putting time into scarponi and nibali. He was only 1.minute down on nibali on gc. So clearly he had not been saving himself for Zoncolan.

Why then he surrended so limply straight after Zoncolan? I'm not saying for Zoncolan, I mean - for a stage win.
 
airstream said:
Why then he surrended so limply straight after Zoncolan? I'm not saying for Zoncolan, I mean - for a stage win.
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You said he was saving energy for Zoncolan. Here

Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage

But now you are trying to back that up by saying that after he got the stage win he started to take it easy.

It doesnt matter what you do afterwards. You cant save energy for something by resting after you pull it off. To save energy he would have had to take it easy before Zoncolan - which he clearly did not.
 

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