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Save the SS United States

Oh damn, I thought the gift of 2010 saved her.
Thanks for the info, Alpe.

I'm actually not an SS United States fan, but I'm a fan of all the great ocean liners of the early 20th century, and for that I would like her to stay, even though finishing like the Queen Mary is not rejoicing either.


My two favourites are the two French ones: SS France and most of all SS Normandie. :)

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One word to describe them: Majesty !


Oh and the song by Michel Sardou about SS France is very emotional as well
 
The Philly Classic made me bump this thread and keep in touch with the latest news about the SSUS.

So apparently, she could move from Philly to NY?

http://philly.curbed.com/archives/2015/04/30/ss-united-states-philadelphia-new-york-superpier.php

Will The SS United States Set Sail For NYC's SuperPier?
Thursday, April 30, 2015, by Megan Ritchie Jooste

You may know it as that giant ocean liner looming quietly outside of IKEA's cafeteria. A little sign on the store's window identifies her as the SS United States, the luxury passenger liner built in 1952 for $78 million. The ship is the largest ocean liner constructed entirely in the US, and the fastest ocean liner to cross the Atlantic in either direction. Since 1996, she has been docked at Pier 82, various redevelopment efforts bobbing up and inevitably sinking back below the surface as the ship continues her steady decay in the murky waters of the Delaware. But now, a rumor that the ship may be setting sail for Manhattan's upcoming Pier 57 has emerged.

In a December 2014 email to supporters of the SS United States, Susan Gibbs, Executive Director of the SS United States Conservancy and grand daughter of William Francis Gibbs — the ship's architect and engineer — asserted that they had a 'preliminary' agreement for the redevelopment of the ship. Although no further specifics were mentioned, she promised the ship was "safe for the moment."

Now news has surfaced that RXR Realty, which is part of the joint venture redeveloping Pier 57 on the Hudson River in New York City, is floating the idea of docking an out-of-commission cruise liner next to the structure to use as a hotel. "We're looking at bring a ship, one of the large retired ocean liners to potentially create a hotel facility next to [the pier]," Michael Maturo, president of RXR, said recently.

While we wait on news confirming or denying that the ocean liner in question is indeed the SS United States (rumor has it that the Queen Elizabeth II, currently laid up in Dubai, is also a potential candidate for Pier 57), local videographer and drone operator Chris DeAntonio brings us aboard the ship, giving most of us a first up-close glimpse of the vessel that has shared our IKEA meals and accompanied us on drives from PHL for the last two decades. Speaking of the ship's proximity to the airport, DeAntonio assured viewers that he "stayed very low, flying just a tad bit higher than her funnels."

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Echoes said:
Oh damn, I thought the gift of 2010 saved her.
Thanks for the info, Alpe.

I'm actually not an SS United States fan, but I'm a fan of all the great ocean liners of the early 20th century, and for that I would like her to stay, even though finishing like the Queen Mary is not rejoicing either.


My two favourites are the two French ones: SS France and most of all SS Normandie. :)

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One word to describe them: Majesty !


Oh and the song by Michel Sardou about SS France is very emotional as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpR1leahTgE


Wow, how did I miss this post at the time? I share your love of these ocean liners, Echoes, as I traveled on many of them, including the S.S. United States. My personal favorite, simply because I sailed on her six or eight times, was the Holland America Line's Nieuw Amsterdam. These were the first words of Dutch I learned to pronounce as a young lad - "Nederlandsch-Amerikaansche Stoomvaart Maatschappij (Dutch-American Steamship Company)", or NASM.

Sadly, the HAL that I knew is no longer.

Holland America Line is a British American owned cruise line based in Seattle. It has been owned by Carnival Corporation & plc since 1989.

From 1873 to 1989, it was a Dutch shipping line, a passenger line, a cargo line and a cruise line operating primarily between the Netherlands and North America. As part of this rich legacy, it was instrumental in the transport of many hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the Netherlands to North America.

The Nieuw Amsterdam was the Netherlands' "ship of state", just as the Normandie was France's, the Queen Mary was Britain's and United States was the United States', and numerous Dutch artists vied for the honor of creating some part of the ship.

The new HAL has an unbelievably large and fancy 'New Amsterdam' in service as a cruise ship, but this is the ship I remember and loved, sadly long gone to scrap in Taiwan. Here is a wonderful page detailing this ship's glorious history, which every lover of liners will enjoy!

http://www.ssmaritime.com/nieuwamsterdam-II.htm

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Friend of mine showed me a clip of HAL Nieuwe Amsterdam & SS United States shipping from New-York on the same day in the fifties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeGMBzEF5Kw

What things of beauty! I mean this was the era when Europe created jobs, when Europe produced wealth, when we had common long term projects/goals and enjoyed social welfare. :)

The disarmement of SS France in 1974 by President Giscard d'Estaing and PM Chirac is a real symbol of Europe's decline which we haven't bounced back from. What a disgrace the way the French handled this ship!

Each time I see this clip of SS France arriving at port, I'm in awe. She was so impressive. The Great Lady of the Sea! :) Norway was not the same. They destroyed the beauty of it...
 
This is a little post that I made on several other forums. ;-)


SS France - The Story

The France was launched in May 11 1960 in St-Nazaire, Brittany, with the presence of General de Gaulle and his wife. The project was discussed in Parliament during the fifties. Due to political instability it was delayed until 1956 when finally voted by the Assembly.

She inspired films like "Le gendarme à New-York" starring Louis de Funès (almost a third of the film was shot on her) or "The Brain" (starring David Niven & Jean-Paul Belmondo, a.o.) and a Belgian comics :D :
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Her mission was to promote the French way of life and the French gastronomy in particular, around the Globe. It's largely felt that her mission was a success, at least from that point of view.

However it was clear from the very beginning that the undertaking would fail because in the 60's, people would rather take the plane to cross the Atlantic than a ship. Her commander Christian Pettré admitted she was born 5 years too late.

In 1965 the undertaking was in deficit. The deficit was 4 million old franks in 1970 but 73 million franks in 1973.

Despite all this she made two circumnavigations of the World: January to April 1972 & 1974. The first one was a big success but the second one was hard due to the oil crisis. These were the stops from the first circumnavigation:

New York, Nassau, Trinidad, Rio de Janeiro, Port Stanley, Punta Arenas, Valparaiso, Talcahuano, Easter Islands, Tahiti, Suva, Nouméa, Port Moresby, Bali, Hong Kong, Singapore, Colombo, Bombay, Mombasa, Mauritus, Durban, Capetown, Luanda, Dakar, Cannes, Funchal & New York again.

1974 was a year of Presidential elections in France and the new President Giscard d'Estaing with PM Chirac decided to stop the subsidies and the ship was sceduled to be disarmed by the end of September.

But on September 11 1974 something unexpected happened: a mutiny. 989 marines took control of the ship in harbour of Le Havre and decided to block the entrance to the port in order to have the Company and the State recall their decision. The attempt failed, even though the Unionists suggested plans like shorter cruises.


In December, the ship would be landed on a deserted quay in the industrial suburb of Le Havre that would be called "Quai de l'oubli" ("Quay of Forgetting"). She would stay there 5 years.

In 1975 Michel Sardou released his hit single, when most French ad already forgotten about the ship: 900, 000 copies sold . A guy who is reputedly right-wing if not more but with this song he got sympathies from Unionists and Communists.

Quand je pense à la vieille Anglaise/When I think of the Old English
qu'on appelait le Queen Mary/That we call the Queen Mary
échouée si loin de ses falaises/Stranded so far from her cliffs
sur un quai de Californie/On a Californian quay

Quand je pense à la vieille Anglaise/When I think of the Old English
j'envie les épaves englouties/I envy the engulfed wrecks
long-courrier qui cherchaient un rêve/ocean liners that were looking for a dream
et n'ont pas revu leur pays/and never saw their country again

Chorus:
Ne m'appelez plus jamais France/Don't ever call me France anymore
La France, elle m'a laissé tomber/France has let me down
Ne m'appelez plus jamais France/Don't ever call me France anymore
C'est ma dernière volonté/This is my last wish

J'étais un bateau gigantesque/I was a gigantic ship
Capable de croiser mille ans/able to cruise for a thousand years
J'étais un géant j'étais presque/I was a giant I was almost
Presqu'aussi fort que l'océan/almost as strong as the ocean
J'étais un bateau gigantesque/I was a gigantic ship
J'emportais des milliers d'amants/I carried thousands of lovers
J'étais la France qu'est-ce qu'il en reste/I was France and what's left of it
Un corps mort pour des cormorans/A dead body for cormorants

Chorus

Quand je pense la vieille anglaise/When I think of the Old English
Qu'on appelait le "Queen Mary"/that we call the Queen Mary
Je ne voudrais pas finir comme elle/I wouldn't like to finish like her
Sur un quai de Californie/on a Californian quay
Que le plus grand navire de guerre/May the biggest warship
Ait le courage de me couler/have the courage to sink me !!!
Le cul tourné Saint-Nazaire/the a*se turned up in Saint-Nazaire
Pays breton où je suis né/Breton land where I was born

Chorus

The song didn't change anything. In 1977 a Saudian billionair bought it but his plan failed (no info on this?) and he sold it to the Norwegian Caraibean Line in 1979. She was then called SS Norway and was turned into a cruise liners and underwent some changes (the speed: 35 knots to 16/18 knots). She leaves the Wharf of Forgetting on August 18 1979. Her new port of registry is Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

In 2003 a boiler of Norway exploded in Fort Lauderdale causing the death of 6 Philippine marines. The investigation showed that for several years, she was badly kept. She then went back to Bremenhaven, Norway in order to be re-engined but a storm and the cost of the reparation decided NCL that that was it.

In 2005 she was towed from Bremenhaven to Port Keiland, Malaysia (NCL was redeemed by the Malaysian Line). She then got her last name: Blue Lady. On August 2006 she landed in the Alang Bay, India where she was to be dismantled. Plans to save her had existed. Dubai planned to use it for a resort but the QE2 got the prize.

She was totally dismantled by 2009. Total unconcern from the French !! ("The Sea is what the French have on their back when they go on holiday" said Eric Tabarly)

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Great doco in French:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AgHrSixU7k

And a Promotional film from 1971 in English.

Main source in French: http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t5486-article-le-paquebot-france-1960
 
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I got a lump in my throat this afternoon coming in to land at Philly. Even from the height from which I saw her, she looked shabby and sad. :eek:
 
Have to say I was intrigued with what would be in this thread. Seemed like some sort of neonazi appreciation thread.

Schutzstaffel USA.

I like boats so this is better. :p And Ric Hochet I like even more!
 
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Have to say I was intrigued with what would be in this thread. Seemed like some sort of neonazi appreciation thread.

Schutzstaffel USA.

I like boats so this is better. :p And Ric Hochet I like even more!

I just saw your post, and thanks for starting my day off with a laugh so hard I almost wet myself. I am sooo happy that you see a neonazi slant in the writing here about an old boat with possible conversions to a floating hotel or other tourist attraction.
I hope that you will further find some info on UFOs or maybe Hitler still living on this old rust bucket with Elvis or Mike Jackson. Please post more often and in as many areas as you can ,your point of view is welcomed and encouraged.
There are some cool articles in the Bild about turtles having sex and fish attacking each other. And what about Dieter Hecking gotta be something there...?
 
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Those of you who are into boats and ships probably know that Sail 2015 is taking place in my home town right now. If you wander over to youtube and search on my name, you'll find 20 or so short films that I shot from the water in today's perfect weather. I can post some pics here if anyone is interested.
 
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A tiny bit of good news! Immediate destruction of this once magnificent liner has been averted.

Launched in 1952 after a secret cold war project to build the world’s fastest ship, the SS United States was a luxury vessel that once carried princes and presidents. It was destined for destruction – for the second time – until a nonprofit announced on Monday that supporters have raised more than $100,000 to keep it afloat.

Some very sad photos here - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2015/nov/02/ss-united-states-saved-in-pictures
 
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Those of you who are into boats and ships probably know that Sail 2015 is taking place in my home town right now. If you wander over to youtube and search on my name, you'll find 20 or so short films that I shot from the water in today's perfect weather. I can post some pics here if anyone is interested.
Was some cool video's of the ships you have on your youtube.
 
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Amsterhammer said:
Those of you who are into boats and ships probably know that Sail 2015 is taking place in my home town right now. If you wander over to youtube and search on my name, you'll find 20 or so short films that I shot from the water in today's perfect weather. I can post some pics here if anyone is interested.
Was some cool video's of the ships you have on your youtube.

Thanks Glenn, I'm glad you enjoyed them!