Saxo-Tinkoff Results

[ciranda]

He's been away from the media because he does not want to talk doping. Why would that make him stay away from the team and, if it is the case, why would it make the team perform worse?

 

[Cimber]

He's been away from the media because he does not want to talk doping. Why would that make him stay away from the team and, if it is the case, why would it make the team perform worse?

He is away from the team at races cos the media is there. Also he has had a lot administrative desk work after Riis appointed himself the new CEO instead og Trentwood.

 

[boringboy]

But can't he Riis see that something is not working for him, or rather his team, they hardly win anything and often not even present in races.

 

[MatParker117]

Saxo need to find a good Sprinter to improve their WT points tally. Bennati has not worked out so far.

 

[boringboy]

They had Haedo but he never really got going, and too many "big" names disappointing.

Guess they need to ride for Rogers in Dauphnie now to get some points and i really expect Roman or Roche to compete in Switzerland.

I find they really have too much deadweight that never really do anything.

 

[Cimber]

But can't he Riis see that something is not working for him, or rather his team, they hardly win anything and often not even present in races.

Riis is burned out. Doubt the sponsors will prolong their engagement after this year.

We will see the old Contador again next year when he is with Movistar

 

[boringboy]

Riis is burned out. Doubt the sponsors will prolong their engagement after this year.

We will see the old Contador again next year when he is with Movistar

Could be, at least if i was a sponsor i would not be happy with his absence and general lack of results

 

[Cimber]

Could be, at least if i was a sponsor i would not be happy with his absence and general lack of results

Ye cosidering the budget and the "names" they have they really got get enough value for money

 

[Kokoso]

Roche and Kreuziger could be a good helper for Majka in the Vuelta

Maybe, maybe not, a lot will depend on Tour de France because I think there is possibility that Kreuziger will ride for GC and than he'd be for nothing at Vuelta. If it will be between Kreuziger and Roche, I believe more in Kreuziger, because he's the better of the two, unless he screws TdS or something. TdS will show a lot.

 

[boringboy]

Maybe, maybe not, a lot will depend on Tour de France because I think there is possibility that Kreuziger will ride for GC and than he'd be for nothing at Vuelta. If it will be between Kreuziger and Roche, I believe more in Kreuziger, because he's the better of the two, unless he screws TdS or something. TdS will show a lot.

I actually expect more of Roche, he has done reasoable well without a team behind him in the past, whereas Kreuziger have failed a few time.

Agree TdS should give a better indication, but guess also depends on who rides TdF

 

[Cimber]

I actually expect more of Roche, he has done reasoable well without a team behind him in the past, whereas Kreuziger have failed a few time.

Agree TdS should give a better indication, but guess also depends on who rides TdF

However, Roche has been utter crap this spring. Anyways, will be interesting to see how they fare in TdS

 

[Kokoso]

I actually expect more of Roche, he has done reasoable well without a team behind him in the past, whereas Kreuziger have failed a few time.

Agree TdS should give a better indication, but guess also depends on who rides TdF

I don't understand, Kreuziger is undoubtedly the better, take o look at their results. Kreuziger failed hard one time - last years Giro, when Astana screwed his preparation by riding all T - A, Trentino and Romandie and than Giro, that was simply too much, he was only leader last year with this program... Or what few times do you mean?
And what reasonable well results do you mean? Roche sucks compared to Kreuziger in both stage races and one day races.

 

[boringboy]

I don't understand, Kreuziger is undoubtedly the better, take o look at their results. Kreuziger failed hard one time - last years Giro, when Astana screwed his preparation by riding all T - A, Trentino and Romandie and than Giro, that was simply too much, he was only leader last year with this program... Or what few times do you mean?
And what reasonable well results do you mean? Roche sucks compared to Kreuziger in both stage races and one day races.

Kreuziger has the best results, no doubt, several wins and best GT result with his 5th place in Giro, whereas best gt for Roche was 7th in Vuelta.

However, i still feel Roche can do well, especially with a team working with him and not having to everything on his own, I could see them both being equal in Vuelta and see how it plays out.

With regards to Kreuziger failing, I guess, it also depends on what you expect of him.

 

[Kokoso]

Kreuziger has the best results, no doubt, several wins and best GT result with his 5th place in Giro, whereas best gt for Roche was 7th in Vuelta.

However, i still feel Roche can do well, especially with a team working with him and not having to everything on his own, I could see them both being equal in Vuelta and see how it plays out.

With regards to Kreuziger failing, I guess, it also depends on what you expect of him.

That's absolutely true - if you'd expect that Kreuziger will win or podium anything he'll step in, then he failed plenty of time - and Roche failed every time then I guess. There is nothing like podium result in stage race for Roche and he had plenty of opportunities to prove himself. I don't understand what's your feeling based on. And it's not like he had to ride for himself, because he was designated leader lot of times.
But whatever. We are talking about who of the two is better in absolute, not relative terms, do you agree? So it isn't about who expected what from anybody, it's about how they performed actually. And there Kreuziger showed much more then. Even this season what is crap for Kreuziger he still performed better than Roche.

But even then I'm curious what fails are you talking about with regards to Kreuziger failing? Cause I want to know how people perceive him as i rider.

 

[ciranda]

He is away from the team at races cos the media is there. Also he has had a lot administrative desk work after Riis appointed himself the new CEO instead og Trentwood.

What I mean, obviously, is why should it matter if he's at races. The riders have many reasons to be motivated that have nothing to do with precisely which random director person is in the car relaying information and shouting.

 

[Cimber]

Very strong performance today. 3 riders in top 13 (Sky "only" had 2) and thats even without 3 of their main climbers (Kreuziger, Roche and CAS). If Kreuzige and Roche show good form in TdS TST migth very will be able to match Sky regarding mountain strength

 

[boringboy]

That's absolutely true - if you'd expect that Kreuziger will win or podium anything he'll step in, then he failed plenty of time - and Roche failed every time then I guess. There is nothing like podium result in stage race for Roche and he had plenty of opportunities to prove himself. I don't understand what's your feeling based on. And it's not like he had to ride for himself, because he was designated leader lot of times.
But whatever. We are talking about who of the two is better in absolute, not relative terms, do you agree? So it isn't about who expected what from anybody, it's about how they performed actually. And there Kreuziger showed much more then. Even this season what is crap for Kreuziger he still performed better than Roche.

But even then I'm curious what fails are you talking about with regards to Kreuziger failing? Cause I want to know how people perceive him as i rider.

Well I thought, he could be the next big thing, and as such i feel he has come short a few times, guess a bit like Gesink, Fuglsang (by Danes), lot of talent, but just seems to have an off day or not quite able to keep up with the big guys over a 3 week race. He is however still youngish and hopefully he will come good and able to challenge for a win in Vuelta this year, I also expect him to be in top 3 in TdS, but not 100% sure if where he form is at the moment.

Also, just to clarify, when I said I expect more of Roche, I did not mean I expected him to be better than Kreuziger, but I did expect Roche to have had at least 1 victory if not 2 and overall had a bigger presence in the races he has been in. Thus, Roche has been very disappointing to me, he really needs to show something, soon, whereas Kreuziger has been only one who has performed for TST so far. I am guessing Kreuziger will be captain for the Vuelta, and suggest we discuss again after that?

With regards to why I expect more of Roche in a GT this year, is that while at AG2R, I think they always wanted to attack to show their colors, whereas I think with TST, he could be allowed to stay with the main contenders and attack later on. That being said, right now, it seems TST have their 3 captains (Kreuziger/Majka/Contandor), thus thinking Roche will be used as a dom and might be allowed to go for stage win at some point.

 

[gooner]

So much for Stephen Roche advising and pushing him to sign for Riis then.

 

[boringboy]

Very strong performance today. 3 riders in top 13 (Sky "only" had 2) and thats even without 3 of their main climbers (Kreuziger, Roche and CAS). If Kreuzige and Roche show good form in TdS TST migth very will be able to match Sky regarding mountain strength

Maybe Riis has timed everything around TdF, which could make for an interesting race this summer.

 

[maxmartin]

Maybe Riis has timed everything around TdF, which could make for an interesting race this summer.

obviously, there is no other options for Riis

 

[boringboy]

At this point i agree, but would have expected some of the other guys to have shown something, there are some decent names in the squad.

 

[maxmartin]

At this point i agree, but would have expected some of the other guys to have shown something, there are some decent names in the squad.

they are built around AC, so I think every strong one is trying to peak in the Tour. Kruizger winning Amstel gold is already a surprise for me. In today stage, there are 3 saxo riders in the end, I think that is a very good sign. Hopefully everyone on the Tour team will peak in the Tour as planned.

 

[The Hitch]

Very strong performance today. 3 riders in top 13 (Sky "only" had 2) and thats even without 3 of their main climbers (Kreuziger, Roche and CAS). If Kreuzige and Roche show good form in TdS TST migth very will be able to match Sky regarding mountain strength

And so what. What is Contador going to do with this mountain team. There are no proper mountain stages.

 

[LaFlorecita]

And so what. What is Contador going to do with this mountain team. There are no proper mountain stages.

I also wonder why follow your own train when you can follow the sky train

Besides, strong team or not, Alberto still needs to take time on his own.

 

[Cimber]

I also wonder why follow your own train when you can follow the sky train

No way TST will use the team to just copy a skylike train. Unless Berto has yellow TST when we will see TST on the front it wont be to do steady pace but will be to try to do havoc, i.e. blow up the sky train, sacryficing their domestiques in a short period of time (maybe even few minutes). Or otherwise to set up early attacks. Time will tell, but no way Riis will waste them to do a Sky-like-train