Schleck vs. Kreuziger teamwork

[Koub3c]

Funny to see all A.Schleck fans disrespect of R.Kreuziger.

RK deserves tribute for his amazing support of Vincenzo, for most of people "demigod" A.Schleck shows absolute nothing when he should payback his team all year´s support.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

meh i don't liek the schlecks, but kreuziger's pace was not very high. gaining what... 30-45 seconds to the breakway on the entire climb isn't exactly 'amazing' riding imo.

Good team work yes, but nothing compared to what the likes of Szymd does..

 

[roundabout]

For an amazing rider Szmyd sure gets his name misspelled a lot.

 

[The Hitch]

Funny to see all A.Schleck fans disrespect of R.Kreuziger.

RK deserves tribute for his amazing support of Vincenzo, for most of people "demigod" A.Schleck shows absolute nothing when he should payback his team all year´s support.

Andy Schleck fans

What leads you to believe that it is the schlecklet fan club which is critiscising Kreuziger?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

sorry typo. On the laptop at the moment, hate typing on it.

 

[Leopejo]

meh i don't liek the schlecks, but kreuziger's pace was not very high. gaining what... 30-45 seconds to the breakway on the entire climb isn't exactly 'amazing' riding imo.

He did his share of work on the previous climb as well. But just go and check 1) how many guys he dropped and how many were able to stay in the group he led; 2) how much time Schleck Sr., Sastre and Danielson got on him; 3) post-stage interviews with those in his group, for example Purito, who just couldn't attack earlier because of Kreuziger's pace.

 

[Koub3c]

Szmyd?? Slow pace??

Regarding Szmyd: Better domestic support that RK now during Vuelta?You must mu joking broth.RK was only one top GC rider during TdF2010 riding without any team support in the mountains,very poor dom-job of Szmyd!

Regarding pace of RK: Slow pace? Both biggest rivals of V.Nibali J.Rodriguez and Exe confirmed during after stage interviews pace of RK was extremely fast,wth you are talking about??

 

[theswordsman]

I was really impressed at how hard Kreuziger has worked for Nibali. He's leaving the team at the end of the year, so once he dropped out of the leadership role here, he could have phoned it in. Instead, he was a professional and a team player who respects the sport and the event. I expect he'll give everything he has left on the Bola del Mundo working for Nibali to win.

 

[The Hitch]

Regarding Szmyd: Better domestic support that RK now during Vuelta?You must mu joking broth.RK was only one top GC rider during TdF2010 riding without any team support in the mountains,very poor dom-job of Szmyd!

Regarding pace of RK: Slow pace? Both biggest rivals of V.Nibali J.Rodriguez and Exe confirmed during after stage interviews pace of RK was extremely fast,wth you are talking about??

Sigh. Once again.

Nieve, the Euskatel domestique came into the climb with a 2 32 minute lead. Usually a 2 minute lead will evaporate quickly on such a clim. Yet Nibali came in 1.56 behind Nieve. They were always around the 2 minute mark behind Nieve. In other words Kreuzigers "super pace" was only sufficient to take half a minute from Nieve, while we would have expected a high pace to catch Nieve.

Which leads us to 2 options.

1 Nieve is a super climber and Euskatel made a mistake giving the leadership to Anton and not him.
Or far more likely 2 - Kreuziger wasnt going as fast as you make out.
2

 

[Leopejo]

Regarding Szmyd: Better domestic support that RK now during Vuelta?You must mu joking broth.RK was only one top GC rider during TdF2010 riding without any team support in the mountains,very poor dom-job of Szmyd!

Szmyd at the Tour was spent after a very hard Giro and even a Critérium du Dauphiné raced as team leader.

Kreuziger is a very good team rider at this Vuelta (see my post above), but Szmyd at the Giro was something... special.

 

[The Hitch]

Regarding Szmyd: Better domestic support that RK now during Vuelta?You must mu joking broth.RK was only one top GC rider during TdF2010 riding without any team support in the mountains,very poor dom-job of Szmyd!

Regarding pace of RK: Slow pace? Both biggest rivals of V.Nibali J.Rodriguez and Exe confirmed during after stage interviews pace of RK was extremely fast,wth you are talking about??

Oh and with regard to Szmyd, while i am not overly patriotic towards my countries riders (and to its credit, the forum with the exception of 1 or 2 dutch and acf, holds to this principle well) i will defend him against your description. Szmyd did a very good job in the Giro mountains for Liquigas, setting a high pace, dropping many contenders every time. He then, after the grueling Giro, rode the Dauphine where he came 3rd up the Alp. THen jumped straight into the Tour. ANd you are surprised he didnt perform at the Tour??? Look at the others who did the Giro, Basso Cuddles, Sastre. Everyone was tired from the giro.

 

[Koub3c]

pace

Sigh. Once again.

Nieve, the Euskatel domestique came into the climb with a 2 32 minute lead. Usually a 2 minute lead will evaporate quickly on such a clim. Yet Nibali came in 1.56 behind Nieve. They were always around the 2 minute mark behind Nieve. In other words Kreuzigers "super pace" was only sufficient to take half a minute from Nieve, while we would have expected a high pace to catch Nieve.

Which leads us to 2 options.

1 Nieve is a super climber and Euskatel made a mistake giving the leadership to Anton and not him.
Or far more likely 2 - Kreuziger wasnt going as fast as you make out.
2

so that means Navarro´s and Tiralongo´s pace during TdF stages was slow because many times another riders break away??? It is also about tiredness and focusing of some riders for specific stages. It seems Nieve was just fresh,but RK spent already 3x more energy during Vuelta than him riding for water there and back + leading the peloton...

 

[Leopejo]

Which leads us to 2 options.

1 Nieve is a super climber and Euskatel made a mistake giving the leadership to Anton and not him.
Or far more likely 2 - Kreuziger wasnt going as fast as you make out.
2

I'm more for n.1.

I gave reasons above. Besides, don't forget that Nieve didn't work much before the last climb and was the designated leader for the stage. A "bigger" name would be Luis Leon Sanchez.

Just focus on the situation when Kreuziger called it a day (which was, by the way, much nearer the finish line than what domestiques usually do). He kept in check Schleck and Sastre, he dropped all but 6-8 riders, he didn't let Mosquera or Purito attack. I'd call that some sensational work - on a climb never going much steeper than 8 %. Nibali then failed to capitalize on his work.

 

[Koub3c]

RK

Oh and with regard to Szmyd, while i am not overly patriotic towards my countries riders (and to its credit, the forum with the exception of 1 or 2 dutch and acf, holds to this principle well) i will defend him against your description. Szmyd did a very good job in the Giro mountains for Liquigas, setting a high pace, dropping many contenders every time. He then, after the grueling Giro, rode the Dauphine where he came 3rd up the Alp. THen jumped straight into the Tour. ANd you are surprised he didnt perform at the Tour??? Look at the others who did the Giro, Basso Cuddles, Sastre. Everyone was tired from the giro.

And RK is not tired from TdF riding as a leader basically without team support?? Watch A.Schleck how he support his brother after TdF,watch Menchov after TdF ) I do not see any TdF rider be so strong as RK in Vuelta,that´s fact!

 

[Koub3c]

I'm more for n.1.

I gave reasons above. Besides, don't forget that Nieve didn't work much before the last climb and was the designated leader for the stage. A "bigger" name would be Luis Leon Sanchez.

Just focus on the situation when Kreuziger called it a day (which was, by the way, much nearer the finish line than what domestiques usually do). He kept in check Schleck and Sastre, he dropped all but 6-8 riders, he didn't let Mosquera or Purito attack. I'd call that some sensational work - on a climb never going much steeper than 8 %. Nibali then failed to capitalize on his work.

Absolute true!

 

[hrotha]

And RK is not tired from TdF riding as a leader basically without team support?? Watch A.Schleck how he support his brother after TdF,watch Menchov after TdF ) I do not see any TdF rider be so strong as RK in Vuelta,that´s fact!

Purito wants a word with you.

 

[The Hitch]

And RK is not tired from TdF riding as a leader basically without team support?? Watch A.Schleck how he support his brother after TdF,watch Menchov after TdF ) I do not see any TdF rider be so strong as RK in Vuelta,that´s fact!

lol lol lol

SO the guy who came 9th in the tour and is doing domestique work here is better than the guy who came 8th, won a stage in the tour, and is in the red jersey now and has won a stage and come 2nd in a few others here.

On the other hand you said it was a fact and i cant argue with facts

Oh and i also think Nicholas ROche is doing way better than Kreuziger here, but what do i know.

btw i am a big Kreuziger fan. I defended him strongly in the thread where everyone said he was past it. But you are presenting an argument that truely collapses among contatct with reason ( or a simple look at the Vuelta gc)

 

[lostincosmos]

Purito wants a word with you.

QFT.

frankly, i think the whole comparison tween schlecklet and kreuziger is meaningless. schleck was dern near useless, really, and then proved to be so undedicated to the effort by getting himself booted. bah....what a waste...

kreuziger, no matter how talented or great a helper he is now, is FAR more useful as a teammate, regardless of how much harder szmyd would have worked

 

[ingsve]

For an amazing rider Szmyd sure gets his name misspelled a lot.

We should start a thread and collect all misspellings and see which name is actually misspelled the most. Could be interesting. Could be hard to judge tough since most misspellings are probably fatfingers and other typos.

 

[The Hitch]

We should start a thread and collect all misspellings and see which name is actually misspelled the most. Could be interesting. Could be hard to judge tough since most misspellings are probably fatfingers and other typos.

Txuruka posibly. Is it 2 rs or to ks.
Intxausti?
Bruzhegin?

 

[icefire]

Just two points:

1) They did the last climb with a bit of tailwind
2) Nieve was to Antón what Kreuziger is to Nibali

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Szmyd at the Tour was spent after a very hard Giro and even a Critérium du Dauphiné raced as team leader.

Kreuziger is a very good team rider at this Vuelta (see my post above), but Szmyd at the Giro was something... special.

Liquigas is full of "special" riders.

 

[Leopejo]

Liquigas is full of "special" riders.

 

[ingsve]

Txuruka posibly. Is it 2 rs or to ks.
Intxausti?
Bruzhegin?

Hehe, did you misspell two of those names on purpose or where you trying to misspell all three or none of them?

 

[Frosty]

Txuruka posibly. Is it 2 rs or to ks.
Intxausti?
Bruzhegin?

Who nose?