Sean Yates

[manafana]

Yates strieks me as the loyal silence type of guy who wouldnt speak if you had the electro shock hookeds up.

 

[erader]

the lies continue but so does the naivete. a-mazing!

 

[Don Quixote]

Did Lance dope before he was mentored by Yates at Motorola?

 

[taiwan]

It's a global network, and its being pried right open. We want the sport back.

Can I make the point that it's hard to distinguish between the sport and the "global network". The sport is, in part, a global network of dopers.

 

[Benotti69]

Did Lance dope before he was mentored by Yates at Motorola?

Yes. Stephen Swart's testimony.

 

[Don Quixote]

Yes. Stephen Swart's testimony.

Before he was mentored ie pre '92- wasn't Swart '95?

Beating Indurain in the '93 Worlds set off all the alarm bells, flashing lights and sirens at the time. I guess it makes more sense now.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I understood Yates did Lance's gardening before Lance pulled him into Discovery in 2005.

Ever wondered why Yates may have a heart condition and has slurred speech? I would like to know what he was like as an early cyclist, you know in the days just before EPO just came on and they took the massive doses...

Sean was a very naive youngster, big and raw brute strength. He used to ride a lot of 10 and 25 mile time trials but on the road, in domestic races won little of significance.
He seemed a slow learner. Due to his ability to churn way on the front he established himself as a super domestieque who could be relied on to give his all. He first came to prominence at the Moscow Olympics were after a ride of in training against Tony Doyle he was given the ride for the individual pursuit.
As a slight aside when I won the British Individual Pursuit tittle in 84 in a championship record it was Sean,s record I broke by a fraction of a second.
Personally I have no doubt whatsoever that Sean knew exactly what was going and knows exactly what's going on now at Sky. That " naive" youngster became one of the pelotons most respected "engines"..privy to most things and trusted to remain silent on everything. A man of few words.
I wouldn't like to speculate on whether or not doping has damaged his health...I certainly wouldn't rule it out but I think its also possible the sheer amount of hard graft he,s put in may have been the cause.
In the nicest possible way I,d describe him as a bit thick.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

No, I certainly am not saying Yates was a protagonist. He wasn't mentioned in the USADA docs to my knowledge, and they are pretty comprehensive.

I don't assume that the USADA report is comprehensive. My guess is that there is plenty of other evidence sitting on the cutting room floor. Tygart's mission was to tell a compelling story for banning Armstrong in the Reasonable Decision and support it with evidence. I'm sure after 1000+ pages, he said "Turkey's done. Let's move on."

The USADA has a limited staff and defined budget but is responsible for all Olympic sports, not just pro road cycling. Doping in Sports is a target rich environment.

 

[Benotti69]

Before he was mentored ie pre '92- wasn't Swart '95?

Beating Indurain in the '93 Worlds set off all the alarm bells, flashing lights and sirens at the time. I guess it makes more sense now.

Armstrong was doping with Carmichael as a 20year old on the USA team with Hincapie.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I don't assume that the USADA report is comprehensive. My guess is that there is plenty of other evidence sitting on the cutting room floor. Tygart's mission was to tell a compelling story for banning Armstrong in the Reasonable Decision and support it with evidence. I'm sure after 1000+ pages, he said "Turkey's done. Let's move on."

The USADA has a limited staff and defined budget but is responsible for all Olympic sports, not just pro road cycling. Doping in Sports is a target rich environment.

Indeed. There is a report that needs to be written that covers the whole EPO period to the modern day and covers all teams and countries. That report however, wasn't what USADA were trying to do.

 

[Tinman]

Sean was a very naive youngster, big and raw brute strength. He used to ride a lot of 10 and 25 mile time trials but on the road, in domestic races won little of significance.
He seemed a slow learner. Due to his ability to churn way on the front he established himself as a super domestieque who could be relied on to give his all. He first came to prominence at the Moscow Olympics were after a ride of in training against Tony Doyle he was given the ride for the individual pursuit.
As a slight aside when I won the British Individual Pursuit tittle in 84 in a championship record it was Sean,s record I broke by a fraction of a second.
Personally I have no doubt whatsoever that Sean knew exactly what was going and knows exactly what's going on now at Sky. That " naive" youngster became one of the pelotons most respected "engines"..privy to most things and trusted to remain silent on everything. A man of few words.
I wouldn't like to speculate on whether or not doping has damaged his health...I certainly wouldn't rule it out but I think its also possible the sheer amount of hard graft he,s put in may have been the cause.
In the nicest possible way I,d describe him as a bit thick.

Thanks Darryl, very informative.

Seems clear to me Sean must have known at least in 1994 what was going on (or been on the stuff himself), he was a Lance buddy then and Lance was "recruiting" young talent that were "in" on the doping program. Then there is the 15 or so years before he arrives at Sky, via Discovery and Astana, and now says he "didn't see anything, just drove the car". Not good enough for the New Clean Team Sky I'm afraid... Liability big time...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

He said in his role, he didn't see it. Not impossible.

Neither is winning the lottery, mate.

 

[Don Quixote]

Seems clear to me Sean must have known at least in 1994 what was going on (or been on the stuff himself), he was a Lance buddy then and Lance was "recruiting" young talent that were "in" on the doping program.

Yates was busted in '89 while riding for 7-Eleven (American team which became Motorola). I don't think Lance was recruiting anyone at the begining of his road career - he was the young talent.

 

[Tinman]

Yates was busted in '89 while riding for 7-Eleven (American team which became Motorola). I don't think Lance was recruiting anyone at the begining of his road career - he was the young talent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/oth...#ixzz295WvcMJ9

 

[Shardi]

Wonder how long until Brailsford identifies Yates as the rusty, fragile hull to his unsinkable titanic.

 

[webvan]

The lying makes it worse, he should have just shut up since he was not named.

PS - That link above doesn't work and a search on the site didn't help ?

 

[Franklin]

- Ex doper
- Mentioned as mentor
- Friend of Motoman
- Riden with Lance
- DS of Lance
- DS Astana

That we still have fans here trying to handwave it is the saddest thing ever.

Jimmy, you do not realize it, but you are a Lance fan reborn.

Everything shown this week should show you that everything said on Yates and Leinders was 100% correct and that this mean DB is a liar. Your continued support is really sad (for yourself).. save yourself the pain and take a few steps back. You are in for a world of pain with this stance.

 

[smaryka]

Why would Yates have to be fired or step down?

As little as 18 months ago Brailsford was already rethinking his "zero tolerance" policy for staff that had been involved with doping.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/14/cycling-team-sky-doping

"We'll probably stick to our policies at the moment. I don't see us signing somebody who has come back after a doping ban. But maybe somebody who is a 45-year-old sports director, who has held his hand up and said this is what I did in the past, and has since worked for clean teams for a long period of time and has vast experience that would benefit the team … that's a decision which is a bit more difficult to decide. It's on the margins."

So all Yates has to do is say he held his hand up, DB agrees, everyone's happy, Yates stays.

 

[Don Quixote]

Why would Yates have to be fired or step down?

As little as 18 months ago Brailsford was already rethinking his "zero tolerance" policy for staff that had been involved with doping.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/14/cycling-team-sky-doping



So all Yates has to do is say he held his hand up, DB agrees, everyone's happy, Yates stays.

After Levenson I don't think Murdoch would be best pleased to be associated with another major scandal - and he'd be stupid to not now regard Team Sky as a potential liability.

Brailsford can think what he likes. If this goes pop, I'd expect to see his hide nailed to the wall - and not just in the Murdoch press.

I hope he's smart enough to see what's around the corner, if the success of his team is built on fraud and cheating.

Time to revisit the no tolerance policy, and implement it this time methinks.

 

[davidmam]

Yates was busted in '89 while riding for 7-Eleven (American team which became Motorola). I don't think Lance was recruiting anyone at the begining of his road career - he was the young talent.

What was he busted for? I can't seem to find any references to what, just when.

 

[hiero2]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/oth...#ixzz295WvcMJ9

Bad link. 10 char

 

[hiero2]

Did Lance dope before he was mentored by Yates at Motorola?

Refer to the Betsey Andreu testimony.

 

[thehog]

After Levenson I don't think Murdoch would be best pleased to be associated with another major scandal - and he'd be stupid to not now regard Team Sky as a potential liability.

Brailsford can think what he likes. If this goes pop, I'd expect to see his hide nailed to the wall - and not just in the Murdoch press.

I hope he's smart enough to see what's around the corner, if the success of his team is built on fraud and cheating.

Time to revisit the no tolerance policy, and implement it this time methinks.

I think Richie Porte will get spooked. He'll want to lay off the sauce now. He actually has a career in cycling. Either leaves Sky or drops from the A-Team. Next years Tour is going to be funny. Sky are going to be in two minds in how to win.

 

[hiero2]

God what garbage. This is why team Sky, even if they're clean (a 6000-comment thread here makes this clearly a matter of debate), represent the exact wrong approach to things in cycling - the policy of not hiring anyone who has 'a history' with doping is so image-centered and nothing else, it's deplorable. I mean, come on, how are you going to have a cycling team at the top level without people who at least knew SOMETHING about doping, because it was the only thing going on at the top level of cycling for so long. The only way - well, the best way, in my opinion - that you're going to clear the rubble and make sure you have people who want to make the sport better, is to make it OKAY for them to talk about this stuff. Otherwise, everyone's afraid to talk as always, and you have no way of knowing what anyone's history really is. Openness will force everyone to confront their past, and I think you can tell alot more about people by how they deal with confronting that truth than you can by 'don't ask don't tell'.

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Yes. Absolutely.

 

[Benotti69]

Yates should be doing this!

Fallout from Armstrong doping revelations continues as cycling chief White quits

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ng-scandal-Matt-White-admits-role-doping.html