Semenya

[jmdirt]

I was just reading about Semenya. From a biological standpoint XX is a woman and XY is a man. Can it be that simple? Should it be that simple?

I'm not talking about gender because I fully support/accept everyone to be whatever they want to be. If she says that she is a woman, she is a woman...it is that simple.

IMO, IAAF has muddied this case beyond belief and violated Semenya's rights over and over.

Endocrine values are not the rabbit hole that IAAF wants to go down...oh wait, they did.

Interesting:
http://theconversation.com/ten-ethical-flaws-in-the-caster-semenya-decision-on-intersex-in-sport-116448

EDIT: I just read this but haven't fact checked it yet:
"The crazy thing about the Semenya case is that even though intersex births like Semenya’s are extremely rare it’s believed that all three of the medallists in the 2016 Olympic women’s 800 – Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba and Margaret Wambui — are intersex. Yes, all three." --Robert Johnsno (Let's Run).

 

[King Boonen]

Sex isn’t binary from a biological stand point. That might be what most people learnt in High School, but it’s wrong.

 

[nevele neves]

It seems logical that the gender in sports should be done away with. Just have all events open to all genders. Boom done. Cost much less.

 

[jmdirt]

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Sex isn’t binary from a biological stand point. That might be what most people learnt in High School, but it’s wrong.

I've briefly searched for a paper that I read several years ago that discussed sex as a continuum between XX and XY instead of one or the other. I'll keep searching... Obviously chromosomes are the 'base' factor, but the endocrine system has a lot of control.

EDIT: This isn't what I was looking for but its interesting:
"For a long time we thought that SRY would activate a cascade of male genes. It turns out that the sex determination pathway is probably more complicated and SRY may in fact inhibit some anti-male genes.

The idea is instead of having a simplistic mechanism by which you have pro-male genes going all the way to make a male, in fact there is a solid balance between pro-male genes and anti-male genes and if there is a little too much of anti-male genes, there may be a female born and if there is a little too much of pro-male genes then there will be a male born.

We [are] entering this new era in molecular biology of sex determination where it's a more subtle dosage of genes, some pro-males, some pro-females, some anti-males, some anti-females that all interplay with each other rather than a simple linear pathway of genes going one after the other, which makes it very fascinating but very complicated to study."

From the WHO:
https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

 

[jmdirt]

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It seems logical that the gender in sports should be done away with. Just have all events open to all genders. Boom done. Cost much less.

I don't think that this is a good option.

 

[Unchained]

Sex is between a person,a couple or a number of participants you feel comfortable or exhilarated from during the act.
If you can stand or sit to pee is another issue.
Too infrequently I am sure that I don't want to be there a anybody making these decisions.
I where and who I show my genitals to and for what purpose...I hope and pray won't be overseen by the government.
The upside..under Trump..the fat balding underperforming may see action. And again a positive under the Donald. even if you can't see it somebody may help.
Immigration policy:
Touching Trump's tiny mushroom gets you genius visa status and gets your parents wo jobs or cash free entry. That is a powerful lil' mushroom.
Was it clean after all the travel between porn stars,playboy bunnies and gals in need?
Does jamming your junk into another women constitute a party foul for our immigrant first lady?
Is that squint on her face from pain? We can all rest easy about resistant STD strains..if our President is in the clear w available antibiotics we are OK for now..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WUA8wD5ZoEU

And the uproar about Michelle Obama going sleeveless?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QA7xyLnh4-M

Laura Bush was a librarian

 

[Unchained]

This is the type of conservative Christian values I think most people understand.
How do you start to explain this?
And when an immigration judge hears a case w a mother and child trying to escape war or murder,violence..
How can they be denied entry when the bar is set here?
Thanks Melania for sitting t and shutting the fvck up..any scrutiny would expose you.
And a judge looked at your " body " of work and granted your parents entry into the US.

 

[Archibald]

Re:

Sex is between a person,a couple or a number of participants you feel comfortable or exhilarated from during the act.
If you can stand or sit to pee is another issue.
Too infrequently I am sure that I don't want to be there a anybody making these decisions.
I where and who I show my genitals to and for what purpose...I hope and pray won't be overseen by the government.
The upside..under Trump..the fat balding underperforming may see action. And again a positive under the Donald. even if you can't see it somebody may help.
Immigration policy:
Touching Trump's tiny mushroom gets you genius visa status and gets your parents wo jobs or cash free entry. That is a powerful lil' mushroom.
Was it clean after all the travel between porn stars,playboy bunnies and gals in need?
Does jamming your junk into another women constitute a party foul for our immigrant first lady?
Is that squint on her face from pain? We can all rest easy about resistant STD strains..if our President is in the clear w available antibiotics we are OK for now..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WUA8wD5ZoEU

And the uproar about Michelle Obama going sleeveless?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QA7xyLnh4-M

Laura Bush was a librarian

This is the type of conservative Christian values I think most people understand.
How do you start to explain this?
And when an immigration judge hears a case w a mother and child trying to escape war or murder,violence..
How can they be denied entry when the bar is set here?
Thanks Melania for sitting t and shutting the fvck up..any scrutiny would expose you.
And a judge looked at your " body " of work and granted your parents entry into the US.

and this has what to do with Semenya's situation??
Is this like Godwin's Law, but with Trump instead of Hitler??

I struggle a bit with her situation, in particularly how badly she's been treated and what she's been subjected to.
Kudos to her for still 'being in the game' after all that

 

[nevele neves]

How any of this becomes political is low level thinking. Whats with all issues pointing back at the united states political scene?
This person was abused, and now is being used by others to score political points.

 

[King Boonen]

https://twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/status/1143540516782370816

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[jmdirt]

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https://twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/status/1143540516782370816

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Not the least bit surprising...

EDIT: I posted more actual science than their 'expert' presented.

 

[jmdirt]

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How any of this becomes political is low level thinking. Whats with all issues pointing back at the united states political scene?
This person was abused, and now is being used by others to score political points.

IMO, it isn't political in the way that unchained framed it, but it is very political even though politics shouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Oldermanish]

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IMO, it isn't political in the way that unchained framed it, but it is very political even though politics shouldn't have anything to do with it.

However you view it the mandate to her to take drugs to conform to the Federation's definition of female is really, really chilling. It's the hypocrisy of that sport that so many runners are juiced, get caught, serve a short ban and are back on the track. Semanya is a product of situation however exceptional she may be. She should be encouraged, not regulated. Sorry for those folks that can't understand that she, and probably many other untested and exceptional people may represent some evolutionary element in humanity.
Taking drugs to attain a new, short-term performance level is the problem.