Sinkewitz feeling the force of omerta?

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'm not sure what to say, other than this does prove, quite the contrary to BikePure's optimistic comments, that the omerta (and likely widespread doping) are still well alive.

Keep in mind it isn't only whistleblowers who have been blacklisted. Kashekin, Rasmussin (somewhat), Heras.

Sucks for Patrick though.

 

[craig1985]

I was being snarky in that comment. Not being familiar with that race would it be significant enough to attract ProTour attention? Alot of the names that continue to ride after their revelations of PED use were big media draws in their home country. Reports in some of these forums portray the German media (fans?) as far less sympathetic. Could that also play into his unpopularity?

When he won the Saschen Tour last year, apparently a lot of the Rabo riders were fuming that he was allowed to race after everything Patrick has ever done (as in failing a dope test and ratting out Kloden etc.).

Hahah. If only we could dismiss other people as no longer belonging to the human race. That thinking is very funny. Good work Linus. That is priceless.

Well Linus said that things between the two of them would never be the same again. So it is fair to say if the two of them were walking down the street in opposite direction, and Patrick went to say hello, Linus wouldn't give him the time of the day. Of course IIRC then Linus was/is a client of Cecchini. I'm not saying that automatically makes Linus a doper, but I guy who likes to sprout how clean he is, I wouldn't be working with Cecchini. In a team like Amore e Vita, that is and has been, a sack-able offence.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

For your information:

It is "Patrik" with no "c".

Susan

 

[blackcat]

For your information:

It is "Patrik" with no "c".

Susan

like Eric Zabel

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

like Eric Zabel

You mean Erik?

The GErmans don't seem to like to many "c"s in their names....

Susan

 

[blackcat]

You mean Erik?

The GErmans don't seem to like to many "c"s in their names....

Susan

yeah, like Eric. You were correcting the "c".

 

[Escarabajo]

...

A hiring manager should first and foremost hire talented riders who have NOT been caught doping. If hiring managers ONLY hired talented riders who have NEVER been caught doping - the sport would grow cleaner.

Ok. How do we know they are clean? We have a lot dirty riders that have never been caught. How is that going to help the sport?

Hiring CLEAN, never been busted "Whistle Blowers" would also be great for the sport. As the sport grew cleaner - the clean Whistle Blowers would have less and less to whistle about.

...
That is not OMERTA.

Now, the only rider that comes to mind is Manzano. No other rider has said anything before being caught. The exceptions are the riders who are retired who have nothing to loose. It did not help Manzano with anything. He even had some death threats. And I doubt it will help any other rider that talks about the doping in the sport without being caught. Do you know how is that called?

That's right OMERTA.

 

[Oldman]

Ok. How do we know they are clean? We have a lot dirty riders that have never been caught. How is that going to help the sport?




Now, the only rider that comes to mind is Manzano. No other rider has said anything before being caught. The exceptions are the riders who are retired who have nothing to loose. It did not help Manzano with anything. He even had some death threats. And I doubt it will help any other rider that talks about the doping in the sport without being caught. Do you know how is that called?

That's right OMERTA.

Yup. And that he is German in a country already eating their own.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Didn't Jan Ullrich, I mean Ullrik, recently make a small escape? Or is that a Swiss thing?

 

[DAOTEC]

Sinkewitz and Ex- sponsor settle the score.

08.03.10, 17:41h | Dopingsünder Sinkewitz (Picture) einigt sich mit Ex-Sponsor

"Based in Kassel, the Civil Chamber of the Frankfurt Regional Higher Court had made in the appeal process in late January a settlement proposal that Sinkewitz should pay 80 000 euros damages to his former sponsor. How much the peace with the company from his home region does cost Sinkewitz now - that is, no one seems to know. "This is solely for" the two parties, grounded Schmitt.

But the Förstina lawyer revealed that his client was satisfied with the court agreement. Both parties agreed shortly before the deadline. The Court had a decision announced at March 9th. Until recently Sinkewitz had haggled again over the amount of damages. Originally Förstina claimed more than 300,000 euros. This amount had Sinkewitz rejected on the grounds that he was not being able to muster this sum at last Förstina had offered him an installment payment.

Rumoured is that the amount is settled between 100k and 200k, Sinkewitz in the mean time is still without a job.

Article: http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/Conten...lledPageId=1012569559871&listid=1018620714566

 

[craig1985]

He has signed for ISD - Neri. He will make his debut at the Tour of Luxembourg. So if Patrik gets into a break can we expect Armstrong to order RS to the front to chase him down, afterall, we know how Armstrong thinks of people who break omerta?

 

[theswordsman]

He has signed for ISD - Neri. He will make his debut at the Tour of Luxembourg. So if Patrik gets into a break can we expect Armstrong to order RS to the front to chase him down, afterall, we know how Armstrong thinks of people who break omerta?

I imagine Jens! will be in charge of law enforcement in the breaks. I'd predict a non-start or early abandon for Armstrong, but I'm not sure you could even get odds on that any more.

A well-rested Vacansoleil for the win.

 

[Joey_J]

He has signed for ISD - Neri.

After the Landis affair, teams and the sport in general might have second thoughts about black-listing certain riders while letting others go back to the top level. Hopefully we’ll see Rasmussen sign for a PT team next week.

 

[thehog]

He has signed for ISD - Neri. He will make his debut at the Tour of Luxembourg. So if Patrik gets into a break can we expect Armstrong to order RS to the front to chase him down, afterall, we know how Armstrong thinks of people who break omerta?

What ever happend to his GH positive?

 

[Stephen_M]

I was wondering about that too - it seems fairly strange, even alongside the current crop of UCI cases.

His provisional suspension is in place - http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...&CharToList=&txtSiteSearch=sinkewitz&LangId=1

Then in June he was still being widely reported to be planning an appeal via CAS - http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...g-to-appeal-his-doping-suspension-to-CAS.aspx

I would imagine he wouldn't waste his time/money appealling a provisional suspension though? I think you would want to hold fire until there was actually a meaningful sanction to appeal? I couldn't find anything on the CAS website, or the UCI's.

From being a huge story of the 1st hGH non-negative sample in cycling which would have more-than-likely resulted in a lifetime ban for a prominent athlete, this does seem to have gone very strangely quiet!

Do cases really move that slowly through the UCI/German Fed??

 

[Alpechraxler]

How do the athletes use GH ? Do they inject it on a daily base in order to achieve permanent superphysiological levels also raising IGF-1 or do they tend to use it every once in a while to get a occasional boost in performance or recuperation after heavy training ?

 

[Stephen_M]

This has been quoted on here many times. An interesting read...

http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/Drug-Test.html

 

[joe_papp]

How do the athletes use GH ? Do they inject it on a daily base in order to achieve permanent superphysiological levels also raising IGF-1 or do they tend to use it every once in a while to get a occasional boost in performance or recuperation after heavy training ?

the standard mode would be daily injections during periods of hard training or racing...

 

[Alpechraxler]

the standard mode would be daily injections during periods of hard training or racing...

So basicly there is the possibility to introduce a IGF 1, IGF-3BP passport. But first you have to keep the whole peleton in a prison, which we all know is the breedingplace of drugabuse..

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

AS to Sinkewitz' status at the moment: Both the German federation and the UCI told me that the case is in the hands of the German NADA.

Neither the NADA nor Sinkewitz have replied to my requests for comments.

Susan

 

[fatandfast]

Did Stinke do anything with RC07-Fulda when they had the clubs 100 year anniversary? He is the most famous member for good and bad reasons?

I saw him riding up the road to the Wasserkuppe,passed like he was on a motorcycle.Maybe when he comes back he can have a last win around the dome

 

[DirtyWorks]

So basicly there is the possibility to introduce a IGF 1, IGF-3BP passport. But first you have to keep the whole peleton in a prison, which we all know is the breedingplace of drugabuse..

This has been covered in other threads. The summary has three parts:

Part 1. An athlete can estimate a dosage such that it would not generate a positive or even a suspicious finding in most situations even with whereabouts known.

Part 2. The WADA certified labs have been found to generate wildly different results from same sets of samples. If you control for bad labs, false negatives are still the most common results. The 'Index of Suspicion' list released in 2011 is an index of dopers.

Part 3. The UCI/IOC federations have almost complete control of the testing process. IF a positive is announced, then it's usually all wrapped up by then. Contador's case is a perfect example of a positive got out before the UCI could make it disappear. No telling how many positives the UCI has made disappear.

 

[bikeguy]

This has been covered in other threads. The summary has three parts:

Part 1. An athlete can estimate a dosage such that it would not generate a positive or even a suspicious finding in most situations even with whereabouts known.

Not that easy. For hemoglobin and reticulocytes, an athlete can estimate a dosage using the app DataKaizen to see if he will generate a positive. However for IGF-1 and others, an athlete does not know if a given value will trigger a positive.

 

[RHRH19861986]

Heard in a podcast on http://www.dradio.de that from yesterday to tomorrow, Sinkewitz´s case will be held/finished.

He faces a life long ban.

He was tested positive in February 2011, now we have June 2012. So crazy. 1,5 years later...

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

The article on that website says Thursday.

Susan