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SlowtwitchLeaks said:Yep, in Empfield's mind Beloki hit the pavement and ended his career that day... JUST TO RUN LANCE OFF THE ROAD!!!
Benotti69 said:So many people couldn't see the obvious and still dont want to see it.
Slowtwitch is their intelligence level!
Fatclimber said:Has anybody been over there lately? How's the mood since we heard the words directly from the horses' asses' mouth?
BroDeal said:This is Empfield's latest where he somehow manages to blame riders like Levi or Zabriskie for Armstrong's treatment of the Andreus. He was also impressed with the quality of Armstrong's apology.
BroDeal said:This is Empfield's latest where he somehow manages to blame riders like Levi or Zabriskie for Armstrong's treatment of the Andreus. He was also impressed with the quality of Armstrong's apology.
...maybe i'm blind, ...
More here:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=4402061
BroDeal said:This is Empfield's latest where he somehow manages to blame riders like Levi or Zabriskie for Armstrong's treatment of the Andreus. He was also impressed with the quality of Armstrong's apology.
i know lance pretty well. i'm not one of the inside guys. but i think i've got a pretty good handle on where he's at, i've known him since his teenage days, and, maybe i'm blind, but, i don't think so. i think lance makes a tactical decision and once that decision's made, he's all in. that's lance in every circumstance, during the almost 25 years i've known him.
i think once he decided on cycling, he was all in. once he decided that it's cycling under the influence, he was all in. now that he's made the tactical pivot to transparency, he's all in. well, most in. he's necessarily telling the whole truth and all the truth. i think he's hanging back a bit, because i don't think he feels it's fair and safe to be the ONLY guy who's telling the entire truth.
remember, floyd and tyler lied consistently. but once they decided to pivot, i don't know anybody who really thinks tyler is making it all up now. i think tyler's pretty believable. i don't think it's naive to say of tyler, floyd, lance, i understand that they lied, i understand why they lied, but now that they've made their pivot they are, on the whole, telling the truth.
but my point was this. here's how USADA described athletes who doped, who either abetted, or at least witnessed, every bad thing lance did, who saw their friends and friends loved ones suffer, never said a word, never lifted a hand, and only now came clean because they were caught: "[they] have been courageous in making the choice to stop perpetuating the sporting fraud, and they have suffered greatly... they love the sport, and they want to help young athletes... these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike."
bull****. the athletes gave up evidence because and only because they were caught. they are lauded so by USADA because they were useful to USADA. i don't mind if USADA gives reduced sentences to athletes who give useful evidence. but to laud them as courageous sufferers who came forward of their own accord because of their love of cycling, rehabilitated role models to young athletes, i've got a problem with that. the chasm between penalties is huge; the fiction USADA is spinning about these dopers is laughable.
lance's behavior was bad and worse than bad. but as bad as his actions were - and whether you take his mea culpas at face value or not - i am impressed by the quality of the apology. i don't see that sort of apology, yet, from tygart's courageous sufferers. i haven't seen any of them apologize to the andreus for witnessing everything and doing nothing.
Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
More here:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=4402061
BroDeal said:This is Empfield's latest where he somehow manages to blame riders like Levi or Zabriskie for Armstrong's treatment of the Andreus. He was also impressed with the quality of Armstrong's apology.
.....
ChewbaccaD said:I wonder if Lance sent him a pair of knee pads
BroDeal said:This is Empfield's latest where he somehow manages to blame riders like Levi or Zabriskie for Armstrong's treatment of the Andreus. He was also impressed with the quality of Armstrong's apology.
... i don't see that sort of apology, yet, from tygart's courageous sufferers. i haven't seen any of them apologize to the andreus for witnessing everything and doing nothing.
Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
More here:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=4402061
BroDeal said:This is Empfield's latest where he somehow manages to blame riders like Levi or Zabriskie for Armstrong's treatment of the Andreus. He was also impressed with the quality of Armstrong's apology.
i know lance pretty well. i'm not one of the inside guys. but i think i've got a pretty good handle on where he's at, i've known him since his teenage days, and, maybe i'm blind, but, i don't think so. i think lance makes a tactical decision and once that decision's made, he's all in. that's lance in every circumstance, during the almost 25 years i've known him.
i think once he decided on cycling, he was all in. once he decided that it's cycling under the influence, he was all in. now that he's made the tactical pivot to transparency, he's all in. well, most in. he's necessarily telling the whole truth and all the truth. i think he's hanging back a bit, because i don't think he feels it's fair and safe to be the ONLY guy who's telling the entire truth.
remember, floyd and tyler lied consistently. but once they decided to pivot, i don't know anybody who really thinks tyler is making it all up now. i think tyler's pretty believable. i don't think it's naive to say of tyler, floyd, lance, i understand that they lied, i understand why they lied, but now that they've made their pivot they are, on the whole, telling the truth.
but my point was this. here's how USADA described athletes who doped, who either abetted, or at least witnessed, every bad thing lance did, who saw their friends and friends loved ones suffer, never said a word, never lifted a hand, and only now came clean because they were caught: "[they] have been courageous in making the choice to stop perpetuating the sporting fraud, and they have suffered greatly... they love the sport, and they want to help young athletes... these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike."
bull****. the athletes gave up evidence because and only because they were caught. they are lauded so by USADA because they were useful to USADA. i don't mind if USADA gives reduced sentences to athletes who give useful evidence. but to laud them as courageous sufferers who came forward of their own accord because of their love of cycling, rehabilitated role models to young athletes, i've got a problem with that. the chasm between penalties is huge; the fiction USADA is spinning about these dopers is laughable.
lance's behavior was bad and worse than bad. but as bad as his actions were - and whether you take his mea culpas at face value or not - i am impressed by the quality of the apology. i don't see that sort of apology, yet, from tygart's courageous sufferers. i haven't seen any of them apologize to the andreus for witnessing everything and doing nothing.
Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
More here:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=4402061
BroDeal said:That thread really needs to be read. Empfield has some doozies in there.
Bosco10 said:Empfield sounds a lot like a certain someone who was recently banned from this forum. Just coincidence?
coinneach said:"They seek him here, they seek him there....."
ChewbaccaD said:It gets better...BPC (censored cyclist) just made an appearance there. The mentally ill troll says that he and Armstrong exchange personal messages...water seeks its own level.
I have to say that after reading Slowman's sycophantic ramblings, seeing BPC show up kind of made me happy. Never in the histories of the interwebs has a forum deserved the arrival of an ubertroll as much as that place.
You owe me a new set of eyes.BroDeal said:Anyone want to take bets on whether Slowman bans BPC?
This does gives us insight into why Armstrong has had one PR screw-up after another. He is listening to loons like BPC.
ChewbaccaD said:It gets better...BPC (censored cyclist) just made an appearance there. The mentally ill troll says that he and Armstrong exchange personal messages...water seeks its own level.
I have to say that after reading Slowman's sycophantic ramblings, seeing BPC show up kind of made me happy. Never in the histories of the interwebs has a forum deserved the arrival of an ubertroll as much as that place.