So what happens to Lance's wins?

[Sanitiser]

So as I understand it if Lance gets indicted for doping from 1999-2005 the statute of limitations has passed. Or will it even come to that and the UCI ignore it?

 

[Benotti69]

So as I understand it if Lance gets indicted for doping from 1999-2005 the statute of limitations has passed. Or will it even come to that and the UCI ignore it?

Riis got to keep his after admitting to doping to win. they asked for the yellow jersey back. he said come and get it.

this is the winners listed on the TdF website as of today. i have highlighted Riis and Contador in red.

Year Nat. Winner
2010 Alberto CONTADOR will this get changed???
2009 Alberto CONTADOR
2008 Carlos SASTRE
2007 Alberto CONTADOR
2006 Oscar PEREIRO
2005 Lance ARMSTRONG
2004 Lance ARMSTRONG
2003 Lance ARMSTRONG
2002 Lance ARMSTRONG
2001 Lance ARMSTRONG
2000 Lance ARMSTRONG
1999 Lance ARMSTRONG
1998 Marco PANTANI
1997 Jan ULLRICH
1996 Bjarne RIIS

 

[Sanitiser]

According to wikipedia, he has been erased from the UCI books. Though I doubt Lance would have done the same done to him.

 

[BotanyBay]

So as I understand it if Lance gets indicted for doping from 1999-2005 the statute of limitations has passed. Or will it even come to that and the UCI ignore it?

It's not a doping case. It's a case about breaking U.S. law. If facts about doping come to light during the case, that is up to the various governing bodies of the sport.

 

[BotanyBay]

Riis got to keep his after admitting to doping to win. they asked for the yellow jersey back. he said come and get it.

Floyd chucked his trophy out the window and smashed it to bits. I suppose some day he'll light the Olympic torch and when he's 70, they'll make another one for him.

 

[Granville57]

Floyd chucked his trophy out the window and smashed it to bits. I suppose some day he'll light the Olympic torch and when he's 70, they'll make another one for him.

I also understand that his (ex)wife swept up the pieces and put them in a box (seriously). Now that would make for an interesting eBay item.

 

[Benotti69]

Floyd chucked his trophy out the window and smashed it to bits. I suppose some day he'll light the Olympic torch and when he's 70, they'll make another one for him.

he may well for services to cycling if he managed to be the straw that broke the camels back in anti doping in sport.

i hope the olympics are gone before then.

 

[Mambo95]

So as I understand it if Lance gets indicted for doping from 1999-2005 the statute of limitations has passed. Or will it even come to that and the UCI ignore it?

The statue of limitations period for doping is 8 years. So 1999-2002 are safe. The other three Tour wins are up for grabs. Although passing them to Ullrich and Basso (and to a lesser extent Kloden) would just make a mockery of cycling.

 

[Mambo95]

Floyd chucked his trophy out the window and smashed it to bits. I suppose some day he'll light the Olympic torch and when he's 70, they'll make another one for him.

Is that a reference to Ali?

Different circumstances, I think.

 

[flicker]

So as I understand it if Lance gets indicted for doping from 1999-2005 the statute of limitations has passed. Or will it even come to that and the UCI ignore it?

LANCE GETS THE WINS, THAT IS HOW PRO CYCLING IS. No matter who says what. He has never been sanctioned by tour official, drug testers, UCI, Wada etc, etc,

 

[Cobblestoned]

So as I understand it if Lance gets indicted for doping from 1999-2005 the statute of limitations has passed. Or will it even come to that and the UCI ignore it?

Just play a game and have a look who would step up.
Only for 1999. You will be bored soon.
They will never take something away from him, even in worst case, because this is sports-law and they can't.
Landis and Contador were caught positive. This is the difference.
Even Floyd would win this lawsuit.

In the end it also doesn't make any sence to try to rewrite THAT part of history.
Just play the game.

 

[Sanitiser]

Well Ullrich, Kloden and Basso 'only' got caught in 2006 so in the official record they'd be safe.

It depends how hard Lance gets done. If it's game changing stuff the UCI will have to take his name off.

 

[Mambo95]

Well Ullrich, Kloden and Basso 'only' got caught in 2006 so in the official record they'd be safe.

Kloden didn't. What's the German for Mr. Teflon?

 

[skidmark]

Just play a game and have a look who would step up.
Only for 1999. You will be bored soon.
They will never take something away from him, even in worst case, because this is sports-law and they can't.
Landis and Contador were caught positive. This is the difference.
Even Floyd would win this lawsuit.

In the end it also doesn't make any sence to try to rewrite THAT part of history.
Just play the game.

+1. I don't have anything to add, it's just so rare that I feel nothing but agreement with your statements that I just had to comment!

 

[flicker]

Well Ullrich, Kloden and Basso 'only' got caught in 2006 so in the official record they'd be safe.

It depends how hard Lance gets done. If it's game changing stuff the UCI will have to take his name off.

No matter how the Haters or officials try to re-invent the wheel, the wheel will always be, well the wheel. Same with pro cycling, boxing, horse racing, Olympics etc. Tyler, Grewal still hold their medals verdad>?

 

[BotanyBay]

Is that a reference to Ali?

Different circumstances, I think.

Different circumstances, yes, but both were temper tantrums.

 

[Mambo95]

Different circumstances, yes, but both were temper tantrums.

True, but Ali was more fun.

 

[dbrower]

I also understand that his (ex)wife swept up the pieces and put them in a box (seriously). Now that would make for an interesting eBay item.

I think he should give some of the pieces to the FFF contributors.

-dB

 

[brianf7]

Well Ullrich, Kloden and Basso 'only' got caught in 2006 so in the official record they'd be safe.

It depends how hard Lance gets done. If it's game changing stuff the UCI will have to take his name off.

Lance wont get done its too long ago and no tests to prove it all circunstantial so they need something in past 12 months.
When you get a racing licence it starts from January 1st and when you apply you signe a different anti doping agreement every year .
every year its updated. and every licence agreement is slightle different .

What a lawyer makes of that difference is another thing

Ulrich and Basso were never cought they were cought dealing with a drug pushing Doctor but the blood bags found didnt contain any drugs.

Every countrys legal system is different and every anti doping laws are made to match that countrys legal system.

 

[brianf7]

+1. I don't have anything to add, it's just so rare that I feel nothing but agreement with your statements that I just had to comment!

Agree its sport law but did Lance or USPS pay for any drugs by defrauding USPS or Government and where did he get the drugs did they steal them from a hospital. did they obtain the drugs ilegaly
you cant get EPO without prescription and you cant get script for EPO if you dont have kidney issues its restricted.
So then it becomes federal law.

 

[pedaling squares]

Different circumstances, yes, but both were temper tantrums.

Ali claimed to have thrown his medal in the Ohio River. Those who knew him best said that was crap, he just lost it. Made for a nice story though.

Awarding titles to 2nd place cyclists is dangerous game that sends the wrong message. Better to declare no winner.

 

[Mambo95]

Awarding titles to 2nd place cyclists is dangerous game that sends the wrong message. Better to declare no winner.

Only if the second placed cyclist has convictions against him. Not giving a win to the likes of Andy Schleck or Oscar Periero, with no convincing evidence against them, is the actions of an unfounded persecution and witch-hunt.

 

[pedaling squares]

Only if the second placed cyclist has convictions against him. Not giving a win to the likes of Andy Schleck or Oscar Periero, with no convincing evidence against them, is the actions of an unfounded persecution and witch-hunt.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I'd rather have no declared winner than have someone who cheated but was not caught win. I cheered for Andy last July, but do I think he's clean and therefore a deserving winner? No chance.

 

[Berzin]

LANCE GETS THE WINS, THAT IS HOW PRO CYCLING IS. No matter who says what. He has never been sanctioned by tour official, drug testers, UCI, Wada etc, etc.

My attempts at ignoring such comments have failed.

Regardless of the statute of limitations, there is no way Armstrong can be held up as the record holder after all is said and done.

You really see Lance at any future Tour presentations being presented to the crowd as the greatest Tour rider ever?

That isn't going to happen, regardless of what you think. The record may stay up, but it will remain forever tainted. This guy doesn't belong on any stage standing next to the great Tour riders of years past.

When the statute of limitations helps to protect bogus records and bogus wins, then the statute needs to be changed. And if cycling is to go forward, those years when Armstrong won need to be expunged from the record books.

But it won't happen while Armstrong's buddy McQuaid remains head of the UCI. We all know where he stands on this issue. According to him, regardless of what is revealed in the next weeks and months Armstrong to him is still "a great champion".

 

[flicker]

My attempts at ignoring such comments have failed.

Regardless of the statute of limitations, there is no way Armstrong can be held up as the record holder after all is said and done.

You really see Lance at any future Tour presentations being presented to the crowd as the greatest Tour rider ever?

That isn't going to happen, regardless of what you think. The record may stay up, but it will remain forever tainted. This guy doesn't belong on any stage standing next to the great Tour riders of years past.

When the statute of limitations helps to protect bogus records and bogus wins, then the statute needs to be changed. And if cycling is to go forward, those years when Armstrong won need to be expunged from the record books.

But it won't happen while Armstrong's buddy McQuaid remains head of the UCI. We all know where he stands on this issue. According to him, regardless of what is revealed in the next weeks and months Armstrong to him is still "a great champion".

As great a competition as the tour is it is full of intrigue. You may call it mysterious, wonderful, fraud, epic, tainted. It is the nature of the beast, Armstrong was a part of the history. It is OK to hate him, I prefer to enjoy the spectacle.