Stem Cell Treatment

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In the February 2013 issue of Scientific American there is an article on professional athletes who use stem cell treatment. Primarily to repair damaged tissue. The article says there is no evidence that the treatment works but athletes still use it. No mention of it being used by cyclists.

Nevertheless I could imagine this treatment being tried by cyclists to enhance tissue strength since there may be no current detection method.

Does stem cell treatment violate WADA rules?
 
There have been some really promising results in racehorses coming back to a high level using their own stem cells to rebuild bowed tendons. A bowed tendon is recoverable but rarely can a horse return at the same level as previously.

It is very expensive and takes about a year but for a horse that is good enough to win 500K+ races it is worth trying. I've seen 3 cases now where horses have come back at the Grade/Group1 level.
 

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Carols said:
There have been some really promising results in racehorses coming back to a high level using their own stem cells to rebuild bowed tendons. A bowed tendon is recoverable but rarely can a horse return at the same level as previously.

It is very expensive and takes about a year but for a horse that is good enough to win 500K+ races it is worth trying. I've seen 3 cases now where horses have come back at the Grade/Group1 level.
With respect, and willing to be challenged, but does that not sound like, frankly, legit medicine? You have an injury that can be healed, you heal it? If a rider, footballer etc has knee cartilege damage, for example, would a stem cell treatment of his own cells that fixed it not be, well, legit?

After all, footballers have been getting the tendons of cadavers put into dodgy limbs for decades.

Stem cell only becomes a problem if it's to introduce 'foreign' 'climber' DNA to entirely recreate a human being - and I think that's some distance off!
 
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martinvickers said:
With respect, and willing to be challenged, but does that not sound like, frankly, legit medicine?
i think that treatment such as carols highlighted would be

acceptable.....treatment to recover from injury rather than an aid to

increasing performance such as blood doping

after all no-one would object to blood transfusion at time of traumatic injury
 
martinvickers said:
With respect, and willing to be challenged, but does that not sound like, frankly, legit medicine? You have an injury that can be healed, you heal it? If a rider, footballer etc has knee cartilege damage, for example, would a stem cell treatment of his own cells that fixed it not be, well, legit?

After all, footballers have been getting the tendons of cadavers put into dodgy limbs for decades.

Stem cell only becomes a problem if it's to introduce 'foreign' 'climber' DNA to entirely recreate a human being - and I think that's some distance off!
Humans are another case and I have no idea how it would be regarded. But it seems to me if they use their own cells for rehab it should be legit.

In horse racing circles it is being viewed as an alternative to retiring a horse or racing them back post recovery at lower levels. No foreign DNA is used in the cases I have followed. It is seen as an Advance in veterinary science.
 
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blackcat said:
I have heard the Brits were experimenting with this frankenstein-ian meffod
Heard the same thing from two different sources, both credible. At the time I put it down to professional jealousy, but... you never know.
 
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Carols said:
There have been some really promising results in racehorses coming back to a high level using their own stem cells to rebuild bowed tendons. A bowed tendon is recoverable but rarely can a horse return at the same level as previously.

It is very expensive and takes about a year but for a horse that is good enough to win 500K+ races it is worth trying. I've seen 3 cases now where horses have come back at the Grade/Group1 level.
good info love, thanks

martinvickers said:
With respect, and willing to be challenged, but does that not sound like, frankly, legit medicine? You have an injury that can be healed, you heal it? If a rider, footballer etc has knee cartilege damage, for example, would a stem cell treatment of his own cells that fixed it not be, well, legit?
how about putting your own blood into your own body? I do not advocate it but I can see why people could make an argument for it being fair and fully natural.

how natural is it to take time off from normal life to go to an african island to ride your push bike up a volcano and stay at altitude to manipulate your blood?
 
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dsut4392 said:
Are you sure you want to narrow the list quite so far?
yes

i dont think i am giving his name away, so folks can try to work out by deduction, but they wont get the name right.
 
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esafosfina said:
Heard the same thing from two different sources, both credible. At the time I put it down to professional jealousy, but... you never know.
could be, yes.

this is one of those instances, I could see conspiracy theories taking prominence.
 

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workingclasshero said:
how about putting your own blood into your own body? I do not advocate it but I can see why people could make an argument for it being fair and fully natural.
No-one would have a problem with that for , say, anaemia, or if required because of blood loss in a crash - though it would be suspicious to have your own blood to hand, rather than rely on the ABO +/- system.

But putting blood into an otherwise healthy, if tired, body simply to artifically increase a capacity comes close enough to doping to outlaw, i think - the introduction of substances into the body.

how natural is it to take time off from normal life to go to an african island to ride your push bike up a volcano and stay at altitude to manipulate your blood?
 
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workingclasshero said:
good info love, thanks



how about putting your own blood into your own body? I do not advocate it but I can see why people could make an argument for it being fair and fully natural.

how natural is it to take time off from normal life to go to an african island to ride your push bike up a volcano and stay at altitude to manipulate your blood?
And on to the slippery-slope we go!

Is any training in pro-cycling natural? Is everything in pro-cycling natural, just some of it is banned and other things are not?

I'm outta here, I've got gene therapy in the morning...
 
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silverrocket said:
And on to the slippery-slope we go!

Is any training in pro-cycling natural? Is everything in pro-cycling natural, just some of it is banned and other things are not?

I'm outta here, I've got gene therapy in the morning...
that's what i mean, most things aren't black and white.

Exploiting cancer to steal people's money is never ok though. Bullying is never ok. And that's why we all wish the worst for lance. Not the doping.
 

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