Dr. Maserati said:One of the people she told was James Startt and he was called to testify in the SCA case:
I'm beginning to feel left out. I seem to be one of the very few people Stephanie did not tell about the hospital conversation.
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Dr. Maserati said:One of the people she told was James Startt and he was called to testify in the SCA case:
Benotti69 said:any news about the former masseuse Emma O'Reilly from England giving an interview?
Digger said:From Ireland.
Digger said:From Ireland.
Dr. Maserati said:So, to make your point stick you are ignoring what Frankie said? Which corroborated her story.
I assume you have heard the tape where McIlvain says - "I was there, I heard it".
Merckx index said:I'm beginning to feel left out. I seem to be one of the very few people Stephanie did not tell about the hospital conversation.
Merckx index said:Betsy and Frankie had a lot to lose by testifying what they heard, and in fact did not do so until they were compelled to. Stephanie had a lot to gain by denying this claim.
Dr. Maserati said:One of the people she told was James Startt and he was called to testify in the SCA case:
Rupert said:Just making the point that it is possible Betsy was wrong about what she heard. If I remember right, Frankie's testimony was less adamant than hers on what was said.
Oldman said:Don't feel left out, I didn't get a call either.
Question for everyone: we assume her questioning was about the hospital conversation. Is it possible, because of her obvious proximity and access to the LANCE; it is about something else? After the SCA case you'd have to think Oakley and any other intelligent sponsor would perform their own due diligence background checks to prepare for potential damage control.
We know about alleged bikes sold and cash not accounted for, what about Oakley's products and other incentives that might be difficult to trace?
Kennf1 said:I assume that part of McIlvain's questioning was focused on her 2005 testimony and whether Armstrong or others pressured her to testify in a certain way. I seriously doubt the feds suspect USPS was selling sunglasses on the side to fund doping.
Dr. Maserati said:Really? How?
Betsy has been clear and consistent in what she recalls.
Frankie has been clear and consistent in what he recalls.
Stephanie - well, not so much. She is telling opposing stories to different people.
Dr. Maserati said:"no personal knowledge".
Benotti69 said:any news about the former masseuse Emma O'Reilly from England giving an interview?
Kennf1 said:Frankie's testimony:
QUESTION: And what is it Mr. Armstrong said in response to the doctor asking him about use of performance-enhancing drugs?
ANDREU: I don't know how the doctor phrased the question, but Lance's response was that he had taken EPO and testosterone and growth hormone and cortisone.
QUESTION: Did he say when he had taken these drugs?
ANDREU: ....when the doctor proposed the question, he said, 'Have you taken anything in the past or previous?' So obviously, it was sometime before that point.
QUESTION: Were you surprised when Mr. Armstrong said he had taken those various performance-enhancing drugs?
ANDREU: Yeah. I was surprised.
Seems pretty clear to me.
tubularglue said:greg lemond doesn't have direct knowledge ?
Rupert said:Just making the point that it is possible Betsy was wrong about what she heard. If I remember right, Frankie's testimony was less adamant than hers on what was said. He's in a position of either backing up his wife or not... Not exactly a corroboration from a disinterested person.
Stephanie's somewhat ambiguous ("I was there, I heard it" stops short of saying exactly what "it" was, although we can infer it pretty well) remarks on recorded phone calls/messages carry less weight than her sworn statements, and her sworn statements appear to be consistent. Not that they don't cast doubt on her sworn statements, but she wasn't under oath and can BS her way out of what she says she meant, claim she meant something different, just gossipping, whatever. The standards of what is conclusive in court are a bit more demanding than the standards of this (and any) web forum.
Seems to me that this is still a he said / she said deal, in the absence of some definitive, independent corroboration, such as from the doctor in question or other wittinesses. If they did identify the doctor (hard to see why they haven't been able to) identify the doctor(s), I would imagine doctor-patient privilege would be invoked, unless waived by Lance.
I'm not saying what did/didn't happen or claim to know what was said, just that it's basically Betsy's (and Frankie) word against Lance and Stephanie's.
Rupert said:Actually, I don't think he does. His main point is that suddenly everybody was going faster than him. He may be totally right, but that isn't direct knowledge of Lance / Postal / Radio Shack doping. I think the only direct knowledge Greg has is re. the dispute between Trek and LeMond. Is there anything else (DIRECT)?
Rupert said:I think that's the key point. They need either physical evidence or enough testimony form people with direct knowledge (not hearsay and inference, like Greg Lemond and many others offer) to make a good case in court. I think the idea that the 1999 samples could be available is interesting. They might not "count" from a procedural anti-doping perspective (no B sample, etc) but possibly they would be viable evidence in a different sort of proceeding. Of course we don't really even know what tack the investigation is taking, beyond lots of speculation.
Dr. Maserati said:Hmmm, Floyd Landis and the other members of USPS that have backed him up?
Rupert said:My background is in aviation, and I have read many accident reports where eyewitness accounts of what happened were way wrong, when objective data were available to reconstruct what really happened.
Dr. Maserati said:Hmmm, Floyd Landis and the other members of USPS that have backed him up?