Straight from the Hog's mouth

[roundabout]

Don't think it was 6 days. I think the TT was the next day.

 

[MacRoadie]

Don't think it was 6 days. I think the TT was the next day.

You are correct. My bad. One day in Yellow, after pipping Indurain following hours of sucking his wheel.

 

[fatandfast]

National Championships - 0
World Championships - 0
Classics Wins - 0
Grand Tour Wins - 0
Grand Tour Podiums - 1 (third, 1995 Vuelta)
Grand Tour Stage Wins - 3 (one Vuelta, two TdF)

Bruyneel did win one Yellow Jersey in the 1995 Tour (and held it for 6 days) by beating Indurain after sucking his wheel for about half of Stage 7 (after Indurain chased him down solo and rode the rest of the course like a TT). He also won the Grand prix de Nations TT in 1993, but aside from those two events, he really didn't do much else as a professional rider.

By comparison, Tommy Voeckler, with his 19 days in Yellow, two French National Road Championships, two TdF stages, Tour of Luxembourg, Four Days of Dunkirk, Tour Du Haut var, etc, etc must be a cycling god...

talk about cherry pick. You know way more about bike racing than this. Lots of guys are not even on a team that goes to a grand tour, selections within a team make going to one a hard task.
Having the yellow harder still, wearing it as a rider, come on man, it's every racers dream and few have done it.
The 1000's of guys that have raced at the pro level and go home after retirement with zero wins let alone wearing the yellow and winning stages at a grand tour. His record as a director, the same, major wins throughout. Voeckler is another great racer, not a director yet. He had a great year without it his resume would look very different. Yes being a national champ is special but winning and wearing yellow is history making for anybody that does it. Majority of racers never get to the tour, never win a race, let alone a classic or stage at one of the big ones.
Johan's cycling accomplishments should be kept in perspective his TDF win record is awesome as of now.

 

[masking_agent]

I know speculation is rife around here about what the Schleck's will be like under Johan's tutelage.

But I wonder what the clinic's take is on this quote after the TdF presentation today (from velonews):

“This is the anti-Schleck Tour,” Bruyneel said. “We will have a very strong team, and that will compensate for the route that will not favor the Schlecks. We can make the race hard and force the action. Andy will also be better than people expect in the time trial.”

He's really throwing down the gauntlet with a statement like that!

being that this is in the clinic, i hope he's "doped to the gills" as it appears he'll need to be to attack every chance in the big mtns. and recover lost time in the TT's. I know its too early to speculate. But I don't think his TT'ng will improve so that he becomes an overnight sensation. But I'm forecasting, he'll be so juiced that we'll be witness to Andy pulling a '99 Sestriere-like ride where he will be up 6-7mins

 

[MacRoadie]

talk about cherry pick. You know way more about bike racing than this. Lots of guys are not even on a team that goes to a grand tour, selections within a team make going to one a hard task.
Having the yellow harder still, wearing it as a rider, come on man, it's every racers dream and few have done it.
The 1000's of guys that have raced at the pro level and go home after retirement with zero wins let alone wearing the yellow and winning stages at a grand tour. His record as a director, the same, major wins throughout. Voeckler is another great racer, not a director yet. He had a great year without it his resume would look very different. Yes being a national champ is special but winning and wearing yellow is history making for anybody that does it. Majority of racers never get to the tour, never win a race, let alone a classic or stage at one of the big ones.
Johan's cycling accomplishments should be kept in perspective his TDF win record is awesome as of now.

Just trying to keep the hyperbole in check. Johan Bruyneel certainly was a competent and accomplished cyclist, but no more respected than many other riders both before and after him. I'm sure he enjoyed some level of respect amongst his peers, but I wouldn't consider his palmares, on their own merit, to warrant a level of respect greater than many of those other riders you allude to.

You are certainly welcome to proffer his successes as a DS, but be mindful of keeping the two records of success separate.

 

[Publicus]

Apparently Kim Andersen didn't get the memo:

“They have already been working on their time trial, so we cannot expect too much improvements,” Andersen said, who is staying on as a sport director with the team merger. “They have to win the Tour with their talent and they are climbers. This Tour is not ideal for us, but we will have a very strong team. And with a strong team, you can make a difference.”

 

[Martin318is]

Ignoring the JB thing for now and just looking at Frandy and ANY incoming DS, it seems a bit obvious really.

Frandy left Bjarne and set up by themselves. It was "their" team and they seemed to be assuming that they had already won the 2011 Tour as soon as they got their team kit. They clearly haven't spent much time on their TTs - their positions look like they haven't even been professionally tuned in a Tunnel and even then, they are so uncomfortable in the positions it is obvious they do about 10km per month on their TT bikes.

If I were an incoming DS, once the team was a little more settled and things were starting to tick for the upcoming year, the FIRST thing I would do is to put Andy and Frank into a Wind tunnel and get their positions sorted. Then I would be riding their backs to make sure that a lot of their E1 riding would be done cruising in the TT position instead of cruising around on the bar tops.

By the time the Tour comes around, I would be making sure that they both had a LOT of intensity kms of TT position riding under their belts on top of their normal training.

- and of course if the new DS were JB he would also inject them so much their back teeth would be floating.

 

[BroDeal]

Ignoring the JB thing for now and just looking at Frandy and ANY incoming DS, it seems a bit obvious really.

Frandy left Bjarne and set up by themselves. It was "their" team and they seemed to be assuming that they had already won the 2011 Tour as soon as they got their team kit. They clearly haven't spent much time on their TTs - their positions look like they haven't even been professionally tuned in a Tunnel and even then, they are so uncomfortable in the positions it is obvious they do about 10km per month on their TT bikes.

But to hear Frandy tell it, they were just bystanders who never knew what was going on. They knew nothing about the team set up to gut Saxobank. They knew nothing about JB taking over Leopard. They knew nothing. Even Sgt. Schultz was never this clueless.

It must have been Kim Anderson's fault, and he is still there.

 

[sashimono]

Bruyneel's contribution to sports is his discovery that an audio stimulus can trigger a biological organism to produce EPO naturally.

The technique requires the repeated annunciation of a long string of two phonemes in exacltly the correct order. The phonemes are "go" and "boys."

 

[BroDeal]

Bruyneel's contribution to sports is his discovery that an audio stimulus can trigger a biological organism to produce EPO naturally.

The technique requires the repeated annunciation of a long string of two phonemes in exacltly the correct order. The phonemes are "go" and "boys."

Actually I think that was Manolo Saiz. I have tried yelling "Venga! Venga! Venga!" when climbing, but it does not seem to help. Obviously more frequent application throughout the year is required.

 

[Escarabajo]

I know speculation is rife around here about what the Schleck's will be like under Johan's tutelage.

But I wonder what the clinic's take is on this quote after the TdF presentation today (from velonews):

“This is the anti-Schleck Tour,” Bruyneel said. “We will have a very strong team, and that will compensate for the route that will not favor the Schlecks. We can make the race hard and force the action. Andy will also be better than people expect in the time trial.”

He's really throwing down the gauntlet with a statement like that!

In other words we should expect more Leopard-Radioshack buses breakdowns in the alps and Pyrenees.

 

[thehog]

Apparently Kim Andersen didn't get the memo:

Now that is funny. Hog better get those leaks jammed up fast or Ando will spoil the story.

 

[Altitude]

This thread is for the birds.

 

[Neworld]

it is nothing short of amazing that people can mold an opinion on nothing more than a sour stomach...

Its called reality bubs. The only logical and rational approach to cleaning up cycling is to quietly remove JB from all elements of cycling. Make him a PR agent for ASO or the UCI, who cares. Just stop allowing him to coach/DS, own, compete at any level of amateur or pro cycling.
NW

 

[Neworld]

talk about cherry pick. ....
Johan's cycling accomplishments should be kept in perspective his TDF win record is awesome as of now.

I will save this quote and send it back to you in 6-9 months. I will be curious to hear your explanations in the future after all the fetid details of his illegal, corrupt and doping 'medical' coaching practices are revealed. Careful fastdownhill.

NW

 

[cyclopeon]

Johan's cycling accomplishments should be kept in perspective his TDF win record is awesome as of now.

I don't think you can include Contador's GT's except maybe the 2007 Tour. Remember, Contador was often in the p** for disobeying instructions and for acting on his own without permission. Kinda slims down JB's record a bit.

(Yes, I know you specified TDF but I felt one should broaden the envelope just a bit).

 

[fatandfast]

I don't think you can include Contador's GT's except maybe the 2007 Tour. Remember, Contador was often in the p** for disobeying instructions and for acting on his own without permission. Kinda slims down JB's record a bit.

(Yes, I know you specified TDF but I felt one should broaden the envelope just a bit).

I really have no idea what these last couple of posts are about. Do you really think the companies that run most of the major races will want to revisit the process they used to confirm who is and is not cheating? NFW. Johan's record is in stone

 

[Martin318is]

I really have no idea what these last couple of posts are about. Do you really think the companies that run most of the major races will want to revisit the process they used to confirm who is and is not cheating? NFW. Johan's record is in stone

What he is pointing out is that Contador's tour win was pretty clearly in 'spite' of JB, rather than being one that can be counted as being 'because' of JB. Ignoring everything else, it would be VERY hard to argue that this is not the case given the plethora of discussion out there already.

That said, yes JB won a LOT of GTs as a DS - but if you remove Lance from the equation, the question is whether JB could have won those tours with someone else... tricky

 

[La Pandera]

he is called a master because of his race record. The fact that many of world's top riders what to ride on a team under his direction is a far greater example of his dominance than on a post on the interweb

A lot of good his so-called "master" designation did him when he didn't have Contador and Armstrong. He was just another guy driving a team car.

 

[doperhopper]

Agreed. But I’m sure there will be media releases, videos etc. showing Andy in a wind tunnel and doing specialised weight training etc. I’m sure they’ll provide plenty of justification for the massive improvement made.

Kloden tweets are ridiculous. Fabs has been with the Shelecks for years – he could have been teaching them since 2006 – why now the realisation that they have Cancellera and that he can assist.

Never underestimate the power of optimal cadence and proper interval training with Dr. Lamborghini in the nearby mobile home.

 

[palmerq]

I think this could be a really interesting union from an entertainment point of view... schleckies wont be winning the tour untill their time trial is sorted out, so andy with johan could put up an amazing fight v contador, I'm actually really looking forward to it... and anyway it's not like contador has never tested positive, the whole thing is a bit of a circus, next year it might just be best to watch the circus and enjoy it for what it is... anyway come on andy!

 

[Benotti69]

I think this could be a really interesting union from an entertainment point of view... schleckies wont be winning the tour untill their time trial is sorted out, so andy with johan could put up an amazing fight v contador, I'm actually really looking forward to it... and anyway it's not like contador has never tested positive, the whole thing is a bit of a circus, next year it might just be best to watch the circus and enjoy it for what it is... anyway come on andy!

If the Hogs team has a TDF anything like 2011 half the team will be walking wounded and out before the mountains and maybe the Schleckies better improve their positioning and bike handling too while 'learning to TT'...

 

[palmerq]

I'm hoping johan can return to past doping glories :S or at least win the team classification with leopard shack(everyone knows that is what matters :S)