Sub-40Minute Alpe d'Huez?

[Polish]

Will we see a sub 40 minute ascent of Alpe d'huez in the Dauphine?
If it were the Tour de France, Alberto would almost certainly...
(Alberto has never raced on Alpe dHuez BTW)

Here is the list of times done in the TdF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez

1 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
2* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
3 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
4 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
5 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
6 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
7 38' 34" Floyd Landis** 2006 United States
8 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
9* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
25 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1986 Colombia
26 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
27 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
28 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
29 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States
30 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France

 

[Publicus]

No. It's the Criterium du Dauphine not the Tour de France.

 

[amp300]

I'll say yes, don't know who, but I think someone will go high 39.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The way they raced the Dauphine this far, not a chance

 

[auscyclefan94]

Would be entertaining to see how he goes on it. Hopefully he really goes for it and challenges the record or it would be funny if he beats LA's record.

 

[Big GMaC]

Jesus Christ that list is ridiculous.

Two riders barely under 42' then




BAM




1991.

 

[thehog]

I thought the same. The top 16 list could be a who's who of the Clinic forums.

Jesus Christ that list is ridiculous.

Two riders barely under 42' then

BAM

1991.

 

[Polish]

Would be neat if a French Neo-Pro sets the new record:
Or at least better Hinault's slow poke time of 48 minutes

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pinot-frances-next-big-climber

 

[peloton]

Will we see a sub 40 minute ascent of Alpe d'huez in the Dauphine?
If it were the Tour de France, Alberto would almost certainly...
(Alberto has never raced on Alpe dHuez BTW)

Here is the list of times done in the TdF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez

1 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
2* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
3 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
4 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
5 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
6 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
7 38' 34" Floyd Landis** 2006 United States
8 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
9* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
25 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1986 Colombia
26 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
27 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
28 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
29 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States
30 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France

Great list.

 

[Polish]

Jesus Christ that list is ridiculous.

Two riders barely under 42' then




BAM




1991.

This was discussed on a different thread and it was proven that the faster times are due to:

1) Smoother Pavement on the Alpe
2) Aluminum and Carbon Framesets
3) Lightweight Climbing Wheelsets
4) Riders reconn'ing the climb
5) Watching what you eat the night before
6) Natural Erosion of the height of the Alpe due to Global Warming

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

This was discussed on a different thread and it was proven that the faster times are due to:

1) Smoother Pavement on the Alpe
2) Aluminum and Carbon Framesets
3) Lightweight Climbing Wheelsets
4) Riders reconn'ing the climb
5) Watching what you eat the night before
6) Natural Erosion of the height of the Alpe due to Global Warming

You forgot

7) higher cadence
8) Chris Carmichael's expert advice

 

[Big GMaC]

This was discussed on a different thread and it was proven that the faster times are due to:

1) Smoother Pavement on the Alpe

not enought to explain

2) Aluminum and Carbon Framesets

LeMond was using carbon in '86

3) Lightweight Climbing Wheelsets

Again, not enough, an minor difference

4) Riders reconn'ing the climb

What fignon hadn't it enough before 89?

5) Watching what you eat the night before

Greg LeMond

6) Natural Erosion of the height of the Alpe due to Global Warming

LOLwut

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[riobonito92]

Also the frame motors have gotten lighter

 

[Ferminal]

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Don't take the bait

 

[pedaling squares]

I thought the same. The top 16 list could be a who's who of the Clinic forums.

Word for word what I was going to write.

 

[yetanothergreenworld]

Would be neat if a French Neo-Pro sets the new record:
Or at least better Hinault's slow poke time of 48 minutes

Keep in mind that Lemond and Hinault had been engaged in attack and counter-attack all day long -- definitely NOT getting dragged to the foot of the climb by their team!

Also, it's so telling that Fausto Coppi's time is perfectly on-par with the 80s rides . . . and then in the 90s it just takes off.

 

[ttrider]

If we say 1989 and on is suspicious id say the record is herrera with 41 50 hes columbian with there naturally good climbers and 1986 would be before epo really took off, with better technology nutrition and team i would say 40:30 to 41 is the limit,

VAM wise 53x12 says armstrongs was 1640 for 41:18 in 2003 thats fairly high though
Mayo did 1735 and went just over 2 mins quicker Armstrong was about 4 up on coppi and so roughly his VAM is 1450

id say that obviously armstrong was probs dirty but a fully peaked perfect athlete and natural climber with a lead up to the Alp could be looking at 41 flat clean

 

[Magnus]

The list is useless because of two things.
It seems there's no general consensus on starting point of the climb, so direct comparison between times're meaningless.
It seems not all rides are included (Clearly more than 30 people have done it in less than 48 minutes).

 

[cyclingmad]

Word for word what I was going to write.

Originally Posted by thehog
I thought the same. The top 16 list could be a who's who of the Clinic forums.

There are a lot of factors that make the age old times difficult to compare. The road is near perfect condition and marked clearly now and riders are racing up all the time on super light high tech equipment.

To put some things in context Triathletes in this race beat Le Mond and Fignons time of 1986.
http://www.alpetriathlon.com/v5/

Given that top level Triathletes are now riding the climb in 46 mins I would hope 40 mins can be achieved clean.

 

[Joey_J]

The list is neither complete nor accurate.

 

[pedaling squares]

To put some things in context Triathletes in this race beat Le Mond and Fignons time of 1986.

Well to put things in context we are discussing pro cyclists climbing L'Alpe d'Huez at the end of a Tour de France stage. The exception being 2004 when it was run as a time trial by pro cyclists in a Tour de France stage. Compare apples to apples and you'll note that the apples suddenly got a lot faster circa 1991.

 

[FKLance]

Does anyone know what is the starting point (a sign or a landmark) with these times or does it really vary a lot? For those of us who would like to time the climb today!

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

If I doped up to the max, do you think I would be able to do it in under 40 minutes?

 

[auscyclefan94]

EDITED BY MOD

You already have lance.

 

[Barrus]

According to Eurosport the time of todays climb was round about 45 minutes