Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

Yup the level of the competitors should also be taken into account when evaluating one achievements.
Merckx faced great opponents, but Vingegaard and MVDP are above anyone Merckx had to face.

::stares in Roger De Vlaeminck ::

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yup the level of the competitors should also be taken into account when evaluating one achievements.
Merckx faced great opponents, but Vingegaard and MVDP are above anyone Merckx had to face.

Merckx got his palmares due to lack of specialization in his era. In the big mountain stages, he lost often huge amounts of time to climbers. And cycling in classics was almost a national road race in Belgium. We can't compare, the difference is massive! Merckx can be considered the GOAT but a lot of peoplr recognize Pogacar is the most freak rider, cycling has ever seen. He is changing this sport with his power and agressiveness. Cipressa was a walk in the park for more than 20 years but now it is where the decisive attack is made. His attack in Zurich. His participation in PR.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Lance is also calling Pogacar the GOAT. They all know cycling is a different and harder (in terms of winning) sport now.

 

[scribers]

Lance is also calling Pogacar the GOAT. They all know cycling is a different and harder (in terms of winning) sport now.

Wiggans isn't ready quite yet. I lean more toward's wiggans thinking. If pogi died in a plane crash next week, we'd all only talk about the potential with endless debates about what might have been.

 

[Breh]

Reigning champion:

- UAE Tour (hehe)
- Strade
- Ronde
- Tour
- Giro
- LBL
- Lombardia
- Worlds
- Montreal
- Emilia

Absolutely insane.

Should be an absolutely unbreakable ranking points record after LBL.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Wiggans isn't ready quite yet. I lean more toward's wiggans thinking. If pogi died in a plane crash next week, we'd all only talk about the potential with endless debates about what might have been.

Yes for mainstream legacy he is getting there, but not yet. I think if he manages an other best season of all time this year, it will become more obvious even for the more skeptical people.

 

[saunaking]

Wiggans isn't ready quite yet. I lean more toward's wiggans thinking. If pogi died in a plane crash next week, we'd all only talk about the potential with endless debates about what might have been.

sorry Pogi is the GOAT hands down. Probably no rider will ever get Eddy's numbers, but this domination, totally revolutionizing the sport that had become so so specialized over the last few decades is insane.
Lance, Contador, Froome. How many one day races did these guys win? Between the 3 of them 1 worlds, zero monuments, a clasica san remco and what a milao-torino?

That's a below average Pogi year

 

[James M]

Merckx got his palmares due to lack of specialization in his era. In the big mountain stages, he lost often huge amounts of time to climbers. And cycling in classics was almost a national road race in Belgium. We can't compare, the difference is massive! Merckx can be considered the GOAT but a lot of peoplr recognize Pogacar is the most freak rider, cycling has ever seen. He is changing this sport with his power and agressiveness. Cipressa was a walk in the park for more than 20 years but now it is where the decisive attack is made. His attack in Zurich. His participation in PR.

Mads Pedersen to Danish TV after talking about the crash and how UAE/Pogi lost some domestiques:

Interviewer:


Mads:


If Mads says Pogi is the GOAT - he's the GOAT.

Lance is also calling Pogacar the GOAT. They all know cycling is a different and harder (in terms of winning) sport now.

Of course they do—just like most people in cycling already do. For the few who don't, you’d have to explain the difference between eras, like the 1960s versus now. And how could you possibly do that with a straight face, trying to justify how this super-specialized era compares to that one and having to exaplin it. It's a joke at this point—hilarious and nothing else.

Pogacar is the most freak rider, cycling has ever seen.

And it's not even remotely close!

 

[JoãoRamos]

sorry Pogi is the GOAT hands down. Probably no rider will ever get Eddy's numbers, but this domination, totally revolutionizing the sport that had become so so specialized over the last few decades is insane.
Lance, Contador, Froome. How many one day races did these guys win? Between the 3 of them 1 worlds, zero monuments, a clasica san remco and what a milao-torino?

That's a below average Pogi year

I really believe Pogacar will surpass the GT victories and also the monuments.
And in my book, this is more than enough.

 

[scribers]

sorry Pogi is the GOAT hands down. Probably no rider will ever get Eddy's numbers, but this domination, totally revolutionizing the sport that had become so so specialized over the last few decades is insane.
Lance, Contador, Froome. How many one day races did these guys win? Between the 3 of them 1 worlds, zero monuments, a clasica san remco and what a milao-torino?

That's a below average Pogi year

I think pogi will hit all of merckxs major palmares accomplishments

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations on winning De Ronde for the second time.

P.S. Lets see on how PR attempt goes and on how realistic it would be to set a goal to win all five monuments in a single season in the future.

 

[Gratemans]

sorry Pogi is the GOAT hands down. Probably no rider will ever get Eddy's numbers, but this domination, totally revolutionizing the sport that had become so so specialized over the last few decades is insane.
Lance, Contador, Froome. How many one day races did these guys win? Between the 3 of them 1 worlds, zero monuments, a clasica san remco and what a milao-torino?

That's a below average Pogi year

If you think about it, its kinda weird isn't it?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Lance, Contador, Froome. How many one day races did these guys win? Between the 3 of them 1 worlds, zero monuments, a clasica san remco and what a milao-torino?

Rogla won a monument and still counting.

 

[Kwaremonster]

So it seems realistic to me, in terms of monuments, that he will end up second to Eddy mercks in terms of total numbers, and that he will hold the record in Flanders, Il Lombardia and possibly LBL. Absolutely out of this world. Still have a hard time seeing him win all five however.

 

[MerkantilMerch]

If he beats Vingo convincingly again this year, I think by the end of his career he will have this palmares :
7 TdF
3 Giro
2 Vuelta
3 WC
4 RVV
6 LBL
7 GdL
1 PR
2 MSR

Which is 1 more GT than Merckx. Equal WC. 1 more Monument.

This is my bet.

 

[saunaking]

If he beats Vingo convincingly again this year, I think by the end of his career he will have this palmares :
7 TdF
3 Giro
2 Vuelta
3 WC
4 RVV
6 LBL
7 GdL
1 PR
2 MSR

Which is 1 more GT than Merckx. Equal WC. 1 more Monument.

This is my bet.

25% you're right
25% injuries
25% popped for doping
25% just slows down and younger guys start challenging and beating him

 

[MerkantilMerch]

Rogla won a monument and still counting.

Rogla is a beast, but he started cycling a little too late.

Otherwise I think he would be on par with Vingegaard on GTs, and be able to win WC and LBL.

 

[MerkantilMerch]

25% you're right
25% injuries
25% popped for doping
25% just slows down and younger guys start challenging and beating him

You are right especially injuries is my fear

 

[scribers]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1908942395791598000

View: https://x.com/lidltrek/status/1908942395791598000?s=46&t=X4NqNG7J5ZQ-MxPOi53ECQ

 

[Monsi]

The 1 week too early forecast for Roubaix on Sunday is rain during the time of the race, which is a bit concerning for Pogi but nonetheless, it could be an exciting debut to see what he can do in such conditions (if the rain does fall).

 

[AmRacer]

The 1 week too early forecast for Roubaix on Sunday is rain during the time of the race, which is a bit concerning for Pogi but nonetheless, it could be an exciting debut to see what he can do in such conditions (if the rain does fall).

Crashing, like everyone else.

 

[Pantani_lives]

It's surprising to see that the second climb of the Kwaremont was faster than the third, because the third is when he created the gap. I suppose the early, gentler part was faster the second time, because they come flying at the foot with the whole bunch. I don't think he went 100% full on the second Kwaremont and the Koppenberg. He just used the succession of climbs to wear out the others, turning it into a war of attrition. He even attacked once on a slope in between two official climbs. As soon as he had a small gap on the third Kwaremont, there couldn't be much doubt about the outcome.

 

[Salvarani]

It's surprising to see that the second climb of the Kwaremont was faster than the third, because the third is when he created the gap. I suppose the early, gentler part was faster the second time, because they come flying at the foot with the whole bunch. I don't think he went 100% full on the second Kwaremont and the Koppenberg. He just used the succession of climbs to wear out the others, turning it into a war of attrition. He even attacked once on a slope in between two official climbs. As soon as he had a small gap on the third Kwaremont, there couldn't be much doubt about the outcome.

Second Kwaremont Pog really attacked but he wasnt dropping everybody, he moreso opened up the finale and the race exploded. They main guys were all relatively fresh as well, they could respond there. Van Aert, MVDP, Pedersen and Jorgenson. They were all with him going over the top.

And there were still riders ahead.

The peloton was large going into the second Kwaremont... so many riders and a bigger group was still not far behind.

It is here telling that MVDP also wants to ride and says this to Pog. They are both isolated and it is not a good situation numberswise with the other teams still strong in numbers. They both start pulling the group together into Paterberg, where it is actually MVDP on the front and putting the hammer down. They drop everyone. Others are still not far behind though.

Then Pog goes hard again on Koppenberg. Jorgenson, Van Aert and Pedersen struggling. I think Van Aert was badly positioned here. He had to go around both Pedersen and Jorgenson. Van Aert was very down and up shortly after, maybe he dug a little bit too deep on Koppenberg but recovered a bit later.

Pog just chips away more and more on Steenbeekdries, Taaienberg and really hard on the last climb Oude Kruisberg... before the last Kwaremont.

Ronde is like boxing for Pog. He has time, rounds, to just jab away at the others before landing a big punch later in the match.

 

[Peyroteo94]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1908942395791598000

View: https://x.com/lidltrek/status/1908942395791598000?s=46&t=X4NqNG7J5ZQ-MxPOi53ECQ

He admires MVP and Pogacar so much.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The 1 week too early forecast for Roubaix on Sunday is rain during the time of the race, which is a bit concerning for Pogi but nonetheless, it could be an exciting debut to see what he can do in such conditions (if the rain does fall).

I also saw rain. Carnage on the way!