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rafa92 said:
I mean if the tt bike is slower than competition today, I don't see how it can be as good as competition in 3 weeks, research on materials and components takes a lot of time. They'll have to work on that for next year
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Setup and bike are two different things IMO. You can do many things with the setup to improve how the bike works. They have plenty of time to get TP more comfortable/confident on the bike.

If the bike is heavier than other top bikes, a different carbon and/or layup can address that without requiring the R&D of a new bike. You're saying its "slower". Do you mean aerodynamically speaking? I don't know what it looks like to the wind, but that didn't seem to be the problem that we saw on camera this week.

I realize that we can't tell anything by how a bike looks, but the TT1 has been in the wind tunnel a lot so I can't imagine that it isn't pretty slippery.

From May 2022:
 
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The TT is only 30km - the other is a pure MTT - I would be surprised if he lost more than 30s to Jonas but who knows. I don't think he was sandbagging but losing 27s.in essentially the first 7km is a little inexplicable as it accounted most of his time loss.
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The simple answer is he was trying materials, position, etc sticking to a fixed watts to extrapolate without giving info, comparing with rivals. Bad day? , not in the shape he has shown. Bad pace?, not while his time lose was constant with Remcos.
 
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Impressive performance this Dauphine by Pogacar even by his standards. But together with his underwhelming TT and Vingegaard doing enough on the queen stage 7 tells me we can have contest next month. But as the bookie odds show Pogi remains a strong favorite.

Most who have followed the sport for the last two decades know the Dauphine isn't always a great gauge of what will happen in the Tour. Likely Pogacar is close to his peak level but Vingegaard is still reaching his peak level. We know Vingo should be better than 2024 simply because he didn't have to overcome any crashes or injuries this season.

Bottom line for me is last year we all hoped we would see a fair fight between both Pogacar and Vingegaard arriving at the Tour fresh and uninjured. I think we are about get our wish.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Impressive performance this Dauphine by Pogacar even by his standards. But together with his underwhelming TT and Vingegaard doing enough on the queen stage 7 tells me we can have contest next month. But as the bookie odds show Pogi remains a strong favorite.

Most who have followed the sport for the last two decades know the Dauphine isn't always a great gauge of what will happen in the Tour. Likely Pogacar is close to his peak level but Vingegaard is still reaching his peak level. We know Vingo should be better than 2024 simply because he didn't have to overcome any crashes or injuries this season.

Bottom line for me is last year we all hoped we would see a fair fight between both Pogacar and Vingegaard arriving at the Tour fresh and uninjured. I think we are about get our wish.
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I think both have some margin of improvement, their uber peaks are still ahead. If Pog is at his peak 5-6 weeks before crucial TdF stages it means UAE f**ked something up with preparation, maybe he's closer to the peak than Vingo or likely his level is simply higher. As for the TT I prefer the simplest explanation: Pog didn't have the best legs on that day (there's also a possibility of some problem/experiment with TT technicalities).

As for the Tour it seems top2 is reserved for the same pair of guys for the 5th year in a row (barring crashes and other bad luck ofc). Pogacar cemented his status as #1 favourite for sure but Vingegaard should be a threat. Obviously no realistic chance for any other guy to win the Tour.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
I think both have some margin of improvement, their uber peaks are still ahead. If Pog is at his peak 5-6 weeks before crucial TdF stages it means UAE f**ked something up with preparation, maybe he's closer to the peak than Vingo or likely his level is simply higher. As for the TT I prefer the simplest explanation: Pog didn't have the best legs on that day (there's also a possibility of some problem/experiment with TT technicalities).

As for the Tour it seems top2 is reserved for the same pair of guys for the 5th year in a row (barring crashes and other bad luck ofc). Pogacar cemented his status as #1 favourite for sure but Vingegaard should be a threat. Obviously no realistic chance for any other guy to win the Tour.
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The question is: Can Vingegaard reach this climbing level? He must improve significantly and I don't know if 10 days are time enough.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
The question is: Can Vingegaard reach this climbing level? He must improve significantly and I don't know if 10 days are time enough.
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There are 20 days till the Tour and way more to decisive mountain stages. I think Vingegaard will improve noticeably but Pogacar will also improve. Their improvement will happen not only due to training but also (or mostly) due to other stuff (we can't discuss here). The level at the Tour will be very high OFC. Pogacar is #1 favourite but time will tell what happens at the Tour.
 
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fenns said:
I would think he might want to ride Giro/Tour again - especially if he wins Vuelta 2025
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I don't think so. After getting second in Roubaix this season I think he will just keep trying there and ride an extended classics program.

Winning all five monuments seems to be a bigger goal for Pogacar than getting the biggest number of Grand Tour wins.
 
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I don't think so. After getting second in Roubaix this season I think he will just keep trying there and ride an extended classics program.

Winning all five monuments seems to be a bigger goal for Pogacar than getting the biggest number of Grand Tour wins.
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After him saying yesterday, he is happy with this Dauphine win because it is another "check" in checklist i believe, he wants to win everything at least one time. He will go after Giro-Tour or Giro-Vuelta at least one more time so in that year he can "check" Basque Tour. If he really wins everything this year (TdF, Vuelta, WC, Lombardia) then everybody else will adjust schedule after him. I don't see Jonas going to Vuelta, if he losses against Pogi so much as he did at that Dauphine. 6x second places in one week and let say that also happens in Tour that would be depressing for him as hell.
 
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At the beginning of the season, he said his main goal was to retain his world championship. But from those words, it's clear he's going to the Vuelta and sees it as complicated to become a world champion with that schedule.

He had a challenge in trying to become a four-time world champion and surpass Merkcx, who won three.

But I understand his position is more complicated because Eddy was riding with the best national team and Slovenia is a weak team.

As much as Pogacar is the strongest, in a world championship without an earpiece, it's going to be difficult to surprise again, and sheer strength makes it difficult to compete against all the teams.
He lost in Amstel, because of Roubaix, but also because he attacked too early. With a weak team like Slovenia, that's what he'll have to do, and I understand why he doesn't want to play that card and prefers to secure the Vuelta as soon as possible.

It's a shame; he had four world championships to win, but with Slovenia, he'll have to make very long attacks, and it will be difficult.
 
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KZD said:
I don't think so. After getting second in Roubaix this season I think he will just keep trying there and ride an extended classics program.

Winning all five monuments seems to be a bigger goal for Pogacar than getting the biggest number of Grand Tour wins.
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I find it hard to believe that Pogi will spend the rest of his career riding only 1 GT per season - Hinault and Merckx usually rode 2. Any Pogi is currently well short of their GT totals - he won't be considered GOAT if he finishes with only 7 or 8 GTs
 
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Cycling111 said:
At the beginning of the season, he said his main goal was to retain his world championship. But from those words, it's clear he's going to the Vuelta and sees it as complicated to become a world champion with that schedule.

He had a challenge in trying to become a four-time world champion and surpass Merkcx, who won three.

But I understand his position is more complicated because Eddy was riding with the best national team and Slovenia is a weak team.

As much as Pogacar is the strongest, in a world championship without an earpiece, it's going to be difficult to surprise again, and sheer strength makes it difficult to compete against all the teams.
He lost in Amstel, because of Roubaix, but also because he attacked too early. With a weak team like Slovenia, that's what he'll have to do, and I understand why he doesn't want to play that card and prefers to secure the Vuelta as soon as possible.

It's a shame; he had four world championships to win, but with Slovenia, he'll have to make very long attacks, and it will be difficult.
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Also the WC courses might be unfavourable. Plus it's risky to base half your season just one day - anything could happen - a peloton split or something like that and the race is gone.
 
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Cycling111 said:
At the beginning of the season, he said his main goal was to retain his world championship. But from those words, it's clear he's going to the Vuelta and sees it as complicated to become a world champion with that schedule.

He had a challenge in trying to become a four-time world champion and surpass Merkcx, who won three.

But I understand his position is more complicated because Eddy was riding with the best national team and Slovenia is a weak team.

As much as Pogacar is the strongest, in a world championship without an earpiece, it's going to be difficult to surprise again, and sheer strength makes it difficult to compete against all the teams.
He lost in Amstel, because of Roubaix, but also because he attacked too early. With a weak team like Slovenia, that's what he'll have to do, and I understand why he doesn't want to play that card and prefers to secure the Vuelta as soon as possible.

It's a shame; he had four world championships to win, but with Slovenia, he'll have to make very long attacks, and it will be difficult.
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But he must take this risk, specially when the Vuelta has an easy route.
 
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