Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

I have no idea if that would be feasible, but for now we can't blame vegni for not putting (or very rarely) climbs that go very high

I understand that but he doesn't use medium mountain stages correctly and routes in general are garbage. Even this year, it was terrible. Riders really saved the Giro (in stages somewhat well designed. Maybe we had 3).

 

[Peyroteo94]

I was expecting Almeida to be there.

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[Cycling111]

I was expecting Almeida to be there.

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Why is she wearing another jersey?

 

[Fos]

Why is she wearing another jersey?

The car carries the TT bike, so I guess he tried it a bit with the respect for Remco as always.

 

[HashRouge]

The car carries the TT bike, so I guess he tried it a bit with the respect for Remco as always.

Nah, it's for sale on his website. I thought it looked really slick so I went and had a look. You can buy the bib shorts and the top.

 

[solo80k]

I was expecting Almeida to be there.

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And Yates?

 

[Peyroteo94]

And Yates?

He isn't there. Maybe wanted to spend some time at home. I'm more surprised by Almeida. He should be there to do one week of hard training.

 

[Peyroteo94]

These old riders and now managers love to give some advices but are they forgetting Pogacar is a 3 times TdF winner? He knows how to win the Tour. If he wants to give some advice, talk to Remco or Roglic since they never won the Tour and it would be important they were closer to Vingegaard and Pogacar.

'The Tour is three weeks with a lot of pitfalls' - veteran team boss Marc Madiot warns Tadej Pogačar of the dangers of the Tour de France

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[Berniece]

These old riders and now managers love to give some advices but are they forgetting Pogacar is a 3 times TdF winner? He knows how to win the Tour. If he wants to give some advice, talk to Remco or Roglic since they never won the Tour and it would be important they were closer to Vingegaard and Pogacar.

'The Tour is three weeks with a lot of pitfalls' - veteran team boss Marc Madiot warns Tadej Pogačar of the dangers of the Tour de France

Groupama-FDJ manager runs the rule over the Tour favourites - 'There's clearly a gap between the two of them and the rest'

www.cyclingnews.com

What do you feel he said was wrong? He just says Pogacar is the best by far, but you never know 3 weeks is a long time and you can't control everything.

You literally always say you hope no one crashes. That's the same as Madiot is saying here.

 

[BigCoward]

Normally spanish people are terrible in English.

Have you heard English people speaking spanish?

 

[BigCoward]

It's easy to change that. Giro should start later and finish on June. The same can be said about the Tour. The Tour should finish by the end of July and the Vuelta should comeback to early 00s and start in September.

You could also just swap the giro/vuelta.

 

[Peyroteo94]

What do you feel he said was wrong? He just says Pogacar is the best by far, but you never know 3 weeks is a long time and you can't control everything.

You literally always say you hope no one crashes. That's the same as Madiot is saying here.

He didn't say anything wrong. He just said the most obvious thing ever and he is almost pretending Pogacar isn't aware that he can lose the Tour for different reasons.

 

[Berniece]

He didn't say anything wrong. He just said the most obvious thing ever and he is almost pretending Pogacar isn't aware that he can lose the Tour for different reasons.

I think he's just saying those things so that people still watch and aren't bored about the result that is very likely to happen

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think he's just saying those things so that people still watch and aren't bored about the result that is very likely to happen

What a turnaround. A couple months ago, you were almost sure Vingegaard would win the Tour again.
I believe Pogacar will win the Tour but I don't expect such a big difference between Vingo and him like we all saw the Dauphiné.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You could also just swap the giro/vuelta.

Nah, I'm not prepared to not see snow anymore in the Giro.

 

[Berniece]

What a turnaround. A couple months ago, you were almost sure Vingegaard would win the Tour again.
I believe Pogacar will win the Tour but I don't expect such a big difference between Vingo and him like we all saw the Dauphiné.

I still think Vingegaard will win the TDF, but that's not the general consensus around people watching cycling.

 

[yaf2]

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Making him faster as if it wasn't enough already😬

 

[Jan the Man]

I still think Vingegaard will win the TDF, but that's not the general consensus around people watching cycling.

I think it will be much closer than many people expect. I don’t think it will be a blow out that some may expect and the two are pretty evenly matched when matching their strengths to the parcours.

That said it is difficult to ignore the improvements Pog has made since 2023 and his dominance at the Dauphine. If i were a betting man and was pushed to put a bet i would definitely put it on Pog but Jonas beating Pog would definitely not be a shock.

The first 9 stages are riddled with risks - nobody wants to see misfortune but it would be very surprising if everybody escapes unscathed- ultimately how the big protagonists come through those first 9 days may determine the outcome.

 

[yaf2]

I think it will be much closer than many people expect. I don’t think it will be a blow out that some may expect and the two are pretty evenly matched when matching their strengths to the parcours.

That said it is difficult to ignore the improvements Pog has made since 2023 and his dominance at the Dauphine. If i were a betting man and was pushed to put a bet i would definitely put it on Pog but Jonas beating Pog would definitely not be a shock.

The first 9 stages are riddled with risks - nobody wants to see misfortune but it would be very surprising if everybody escapes unscathed- ultimately how the big protagonists come through those first 9 days may determine the outcome.

Pogacar only needs to arrive to stage 10 with two legs after that all we gonna hear is the rants from lance & his podcast partners for him chasing a random american on the vontoux & lozes of this world

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think it will be much closer than many people expect. I don’t think it will be a blow out that some may expect and the two are pretty evenly matched when matching their strengths to the parcours.

That said it is difficult to ignore the improvements Pog has made since 2023 and his dominance at the Dauphine. If i were a betting man and was pushed to put a bet i would definitely put it on Pog but Jonas beating Pog would definitely not be a shock.

The first 9 stages are riddled with risks - nobody wants to see misfortune but it would be very surprising if everybody escapes unscathed- ultimately how the big protagonists come through those first 9 days may determine the outcome.

I used to have the same opinion before Dauphiné but not anymore and people thinking otherwise are just praying for a close race. However wishful thinking is just wishful thinking, facts and numbers don't lie even if we want to believe the opposite.
Jonas is close to his best and I seriously believe Pogacar can improve even more compared to Jonas. This dude is a freak!

 

[scribers]

I’d like to think pogi can hold his superiority across July. But cycling is full of stories and history of riders showing up in July with entirely different qualities than weeks earlier.

 

[YavorD]

Yes, I would wait for at least the Pyrenees to draw some conclusions.
Pogacar dominated CD, but there are so many people improving massively between CD and TDF that I don't think we can use it as a real expectation.

 

[scribers]

Not so many people improve massively. They go in all types of directions according to their ambitions and usually incrementally to their last apparent condition.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, I would wait for at least the Pyrenees to draw some conclusions.
Pogacar dominated CD, but there are so many people improving massively between CD and TDF that I don't think we can use it as a real expectation.

We had Remco last year but he was bulding his shape yet due to his crash in Pais Vasco. This year, he won't improve significantly (but he will be in better shape compared to last year). Vingegaard never showed a huge improvement between CdD and the Tour so I would not count on him to be better than Pogacar, not even the one who raced the Dauphiné.

 

[Cycling111]

It's wishful thinking to think everyone will improve for the Tour (Vingegaard, Remco, Roglic), except Pogacar.
No one is at 100% in Dauphiné, Pogacar wasn't either.