Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Miha81]

He's clearly really tired. And he does not want to giftwrap stages to Vingegaard by taking any risks himself. And that's completely normal.

In retrospective TJV tactics worked. But unfortunately (for them) also wore the whole team and their leader out.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Honestly, I don‘t understand what he was doing. Just follow Arensman‘s attacks, Vingegaard will follow you. Then after, he doesn‘t try to win the stage. The team works the whole day and then he just plays chicken when the other rider has given himself up as well. Just very disappointing although slightly more understandable than Vingegaard doing nothing.

Arensman would continue and continue to attack.

Also some people speculate that "gifting" stages are beneficial. UAE didnt go all-in on Superbagneres, and obviously Arensman didn't care *** all about that and rode his own race for the stage as he should.

 

[Needsnewtyres]

Looks cold, a little weary, and nose still a bit blocked, but he's got 4:24. Reckon Vingegaard will feel feisty after today, but the next two stages don't naturally offer that kind of time gap for Vingegard to get back.

Ride defensive. Stay on the Vingegaard wheel.

 

[Rou]

It's crazy how Pog in 2024 was so strong that he could have realistically won all 3 GTs.
This year all this classic training has made him worse at GTs.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Looks cold, a little weary, and nose still a bit blocked, but he's got 4:24. Reckon Vingegaard will feel feisty after today, but the next two stages don't naturally offer that kind of time gap for Vingegard to get back.

Ride defensive. Stay on the Vingegaard wheel.

It's over. There aren't decent climbs left.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's crazy how Pog in 2024 was so strong that he could have realistically won all 3 GTs.
This year all this classic training has made him worse at GTs.

A 95% Pogacar is better than everyone else.

 

[Miha81]

He is getting bumped a lot lately

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/PQX0YNAlQaA?si=KGvEM1N99EpWcZpH

 

[fenns]

he looks tired - Vuelta probably off the program

 

[Rou]

A 95% Pogacar is better than everyone else.

I hope no crashes and safe final in Paris because if Pog was badly hurt in his crash Visma would have won all 3 GTs again because Jonas will clean the Vuelta.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Arensman would continue and continue to attack.

Also some people speculate that "gifting" stages are beneficial. UAE didnt go all-in on Superbagneres, and obviously Arensman didn't care *** all about that and rode his own race for the stage as he should.

How many start-stop accelerations does Arensman do before he‘s cooked? Maybe Pogačar didn’t want to do that but that‘s surprising given how he‘s often wanted to win before. He just seems to only take easy stage wins and as soon as there‘s resistance he gives up and I didn‘t expect that. Also, even with this tactic, he should have been able to go those two seconds faster so I find it weird that he‘s more afraid of losing to Vingegaard than giving away the stage.

 

[snipeheem]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948779074450567560

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1948779074450567560

 

[Rou]

If Pog is feeling tired why chase the brake, man?
Your team sucks and you risk exposing yourself to Vingegaard.
This is what frustrated me - that he gave confidence to Jonas.

 

[Red Rick]

It's crazy how Pog in 2024 was so strong that he could have realistically won all 3 GTs.
This year all this classic training has made him worse at GTs.

It's not the classics training, it's just a harder Tour de France.

This is like the 4th time in 5 years he was rumored to do the Vuelta after the Tour. He's bailed out every previous time. Clearly he gets very tired. In fact, races immediately after the Tour are usually the races where he's most prone to being completely off.

I think he came down from Tour really tired last year, and a Vuelta would have been a disaster.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If Pog is feeling tired why chase the brake, man?
Your team sucks and you risk exposing yourself to Vingegaard.
This is what frustrated me - that he gave confidence to Jonas.

Mate, 4 and half minutes betwee them. Just one climb to finish the Tour.

 

[Rou]

It's not the classics training, it's just a harder Tour de France.

This is like the 4th time in 5 years he was rumored to do the Vuelta after the Tour. He's bailed out every previous time. Clearly he gets very tired. In fact, races immediately after the Tour are usually the races where he's most prone to being completely off.

I think he came down from Tour really tired last year, and a Vuelta would have been a disaster.

Clearly in 2024 he was better than this year. Yes, he was tired but he was pushing alien numbers in the last 3 days.
Now he is looking human.
I'm pretty sure the classics preparation hinders his GT capacity.

 

[yaf2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948779074450567560

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1948779074450567560

What vingegaard did this tour is nothing short of ridiculous. He said at the rest day he would sacrifice his 2nd place for the win but couldn't even risk to jump 300 meters to go for a stage win 😧🤣

 

[Monsi]

If Pog is feeling tired why chase the brake, man?
Your team sucks and you risk exposing yourself to Vingegaard.
This is what frustrated me - that he gave confidence to Jonas.

Gave confidence to what? An equally cooked Jonas?

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's not the classics training, it's just a harder Tour de France.

This is like the 4th time in 5 years he was rumored to do the Vuelta after the Tour. He's bailed out every previous time. Clearly he gets very tired. In fact, races immediately after the Tour are usually the races where he's most prone to being completely off.

I think he came down from Tour really tired last year, and a Vuelta would have been a disaster.

Because he is racing in March-April and he doesn't have 2/3 weeks of rest like Contador had for example after his spring campaign.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Gave confidence to what? An equally cooked Jonas?

Yeah, don't see where is Jonas stronger than Pogacar at the moment

 

[BubbaChuck]

probably holding back to not repeat 2023 in glasgow,lol.its clear,pog much better if focuses on stage racing.also pog only rider in history ,who won 4 tours and he hates them.

 

[Cycling111]

Vingegaard has been preparing for the Tour all year. Pogacar was at Paris-Roubaix in April, and it wasn't until May that he started training for the Tour.

This is a moral blow for Vingegaard, even though Visma's entire media is now saying otherwise.

 

[Monsi]

Yeah, don't see where is Jonas stronger than Pogacar at the moment

If Jonas had more in the tank, he'd have attacked much earlier than 300 meters from the line. Both Pogi and Jonas are just tired atm.

 

[Rou]

Yeah, don't see where is Jonas stronger than Pogacar at the moment

Pogacar's attack was weak and badly placed.
Vingegaard was too scared to move but he probably could have put 20 secs in Pog in the last 2 kms.

 

[Monsi]

Pogacar's attack was weak and badly placed.
Vingegaard was too scared to move but he probably could have put 20 secs in Pog in the last 2 kms.

Yet he didn't because he was cooked too

 

[Rou]

Vingegaard has been preparing for the Tour all year. Pogacar was at Paris-Roubaix in April, and it wasn't until May that he started training for the Tour.

This is a moral blow for Vingegaard, even though Visma's entire media is now saying otherwise.

Well, if he does Roubaix next year the TDF is not guaranteed.
Especially if Visma are smarter because their tactics is stupid.