Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Red Rick]

Don’t know why that would be the case since he performed well in Canada

It's a different sort of condition to be fair. I think Pogacar always focuses endurance first for the WC and so he may lack for a fresh 50 minute TT.

Evenepoel may have done the opposite.

Roglic can try to train the endurance but deep down he will always be that fresh 50 minute flat track bully

 

[proffate]

No way. The TT never was a big race and never will be. The TT is only really relevant when you add the RR.

I think both can be true. Winning the ITT could be harder for him, and also less prestigious in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Get used to the altitude?

Pogacar? He lives in Monaco. He is close to many climbs (at 1500m).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Roglic can try to train the endurance but deep down he will always be that fresh 50 minute flat track bully

For climbs like Finestre or Ventoux uphill track bully would look so much better.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think both can be true. Winning the ITT could be harder for him, and also less prestigious in the grand scheme of things.

If we see Pogacar from the Tour, the TT will not be close IMO. Too much climbing.

 

[proffate]

Pogacar? He lives in Monaco. He is close to many climbs (at 1500m).

Are you suggesting he pitch a tent at the top of one of them?

If we see Pogacar from the Tour, the TT will not be close IMO. Too much climbing

Ok? Even if you are right, that doesn't invalidate the point that he is prioritizing this ITT. Most WC ITTs are flatter and therefore he has to make the most of this opportunity...

 

[Red Rick]

For climbs like Finestre or Ventoux uphill track bully would look so much better.

That's just a flat track tilted by 5 degrees

and yes I put that in a % to degree calculator because I am an insufferable nerd

 

[Peyroteo94]

Are you suggesting he pitch a tent at the top of one of them?



Ok? Even if you are right, that doesn't invalidate the point that he is prioritizing this ITT. Most WC ITTs are flatter and therefore he has to make the most of this opportunity...

Last year he showed a superb level without altitude training. I don't think he needs altitude training to be better at 1500m

 

[Monsi]

Yeah that was an interview before the Canada races. He probably feels better after Montreal performance.

Makes sense if that interview was before the Canada races because he did an interview after Montreal where he said he regained his confidence ahead of the Worlds.

 

[Salvarani]

He just wants to give the TT a go or sees it as good fine tuning before the RR. He wins, he wins. If he doesnt... he is not really bothered about the ITT.

It is not important for his palmares. Nor is this double WC (winning ITT + RR) a thing. Just made up importance by some fans.

Win the RR is the goal, but it will be tough. He could be tactically outplayed by other teams.

Ride hard and hope for the best.

 

[Red Rick]

He just wants to give the TT a go or sees it as good fine tuning before the RR. He wins, he wins. If he doesnt... he is not really bothered about the ITT.

It is not important for his palmares. Nor is this double WC (winning ITT + RR) a thing. Just made up importance by some fans.

Win the RR is the goal, but it will be tough. He could be tactically outplayed by other teams.

Ride hard and hope for the best.

Tadej Pogacar is never winning The Red Rick. Impossible.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

and yes I put that in a % to degree calculator because I am an insufferable nerd

A real nerd would know that it's enough to multiply % by 4/7 for small angles.

 

[Salvarani]

Tadej Pogacar is never winning The Red Rick. Impossible.

He would rather win the sausage eating contest, than that one.

 

[proffate]

Last year he showed a superb level without altitude training. I don't think he needs altitude training to be better at 1500m

Well, sports science would disagree with you if your suggestion is that acclimatization has no effect at that altitude (or 1800m where the race tops out). Roglic also reportedly did/is doing an altitude camp before Rwanda.

Could you remind me what point you're trying to make as you counter every statement in this thread?

 

[Cycling111]

Some riders do less altitude training camps and notice less of a difference. On the other hand, others don't stay as strong if they don't do altitude training.

Van Aert always does altitude training, even for the spring classics, Pogacar doesn't.

Mikel Landa tends to do less than most because he says he doesn't get as much benefit from it and struggles to recover when he finish it.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Some riders do less altitude training camps and notice less of a difference. On the other hand, others don't stay as strong if they don't do altitude training.

Van Aert always does altitude training, even for the spring classics, Pogacar doesn't.

Mikel Landa tends to do less than most because he says he doesn't get as much benefit from it and struggles to recover when he finish it.

Sure, Pogacar can perform very well without altitude camp in the spring but in Rwanda the whole route is at avg. elevation of 1500 m so this could matter a bit more in the TT (Evenepoel had a camp before going there). Over a week in Rwanda should do though (for the RR).

 

[Cycling111]

Sure, Pogacar can perform very well without altitude camp in the spring but in Rwanda the whole route is at avg. elevation of 1500 m so this could matter a bit more in the TT (Evenepoel had a camp before going there). Over a week in Rwanda should do though (for the RR).

Maybe he didn't give importance to the ITT. Because he preferred to go to Canada to give a race rather than do altitude training

I don't know what criteria he followed to make that decision. To do what he did in Canada he might have been training in altitude.

By the way, is he already in Kigali?

 

[Monsi]

Maybe he didn't give importance to the ITT. Because he preferred to go to Canada to give a race rather than do altitude training

I don't know what criteria he followed to make that decision. To do what he did in Canada he might have been training in altitude.

By the way, is he already in Kigali?

He should be. I saw an article where the coach (?) said that the first part of the Slovenian team was flying Wednesday so Pogi surely should be on that flight.

 

[YavorD]

Tadej Pogacar is never winning The Red Rick. Impossible.

Can't wait for his interview when he admits that he's just a luck merchant
Won't he have a soft spot in your heart? Just a tiny little bit at least?

 

[Red Rick]

Can't wait for his interview when he admits that he's just a luck merchant
Won't he have a soft spot in your heart? Just a tiny little bit at least?

He would clearly admit to reading the CN forum.

My opinion of him would sink even further

 

[YavorD]

He would clearly admit to reading the CN forum.

My opinion of him would sink even further

So he has no chance of winning the most prestigious race to Red Rick:s heart?

 

[Red Rick]

So he has no chance of winning the most prestigious race to Red Rick:s heart?

Call he a hopeless romantic, but I believe in love at first sight.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well, sports science would disagree with you if your suggestion is that acclimatization has no effect at that altitude (or 1800m where the race tops out). Roglic also reportedly did/is doing an altitude camp before Rwanda.

Could you remind me what point you're trying to make as you counter every statement in this thread?

You are always so salty when people don't agree with you?

Yes, I know altitude training has scientific evidence (Adaptations: more EPO - More oxygen). But we also need to see the mental part of this training. 3 weeks away from your GF and doing nothing but training/eat/sleep. Pogacar finished the Tour very tired so I believe this altitude training would not be good for him just like last year. Mental freshness is the most important thing for WC and GdL.

 

[Oldman]

You are always so salty when people don't agree with you?

Yes, I know altitude training has scientific evidence (Adaptations: more EPO - More oxygen). But we also need to see the mental part of this training. 3 weeks away from your GF and doing nothing but training/eat/sleep. Pogacar finished the Tour very tired so I believe this altitude training would not be good for him just like last year. Mental freshness is the most important thing for WC and GdL.

...and actual recovery is not enhanced at altitude. Quite the opposite. I live at that altitude after years of training at sea level and the one major departure is top threshold training. When I climb from 6,000' to 7,000' and above my maximum pulse rate is almost 20 beats below what I can do at sea level. I'm fully acclimated but need a bit more recovery from those efforts as well.
That said; without the acclimation I would not be able to climb to those elevations with any serious power either.
We all act like Tadej and Jonas don't have a pressurized sleeping environment closely at their disposal. Master's amateur racers do so it's neither cost nor portability challenged to set one up.

 

[James M]

Can't wait for his interview when he admits that he's just a luck merchant
Won't he have a soft spot in your heart? Just a tiny little bit at least?

19.09.2020. Red watched his love get molested by Pogacar on live television, he is still grieving. Hes a smart cookie, give him time, he'll come around.