Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Cycling111]

Roglic is not on the PCS startlist for ECC

Should be a great race. Pog, Jonas and Remco in a one-day.

Roglic could have done better there. A shorter race
.I don't know if Pogacar will want to go after the celebrations. He's probably going to do his part for Slovenia, but what motivation would there be for a European Championship with the rainbow?
I'd be terribly lazy to do a European Championship after winning a WC .

 

[Peyroteo94]

Roglic could have done better there. A shorter race
.I don't know if Pogacar will want to go after the celebrations. He's probably going to do his part for Slovenia, but what motivation would there be for a European Championship with the rainbow?
I'd be terribly lazy to do a European Championship after winning a WC .

Roglic should work for Pogacar and just that. What was he doing exactly? He could have paced Mount Kigali for Pogacar.

 

[Cycling111]

Roglic should work for Pogacar and just that. What was he doing exactly? He could have paced Mount Kigali for Pogacar.

I suppose his job was to mark Remco from behind, and if Pogacar failed, to have fresh legs for a hypothetical sprint. But we've already said that Roglic can't fulfill that role because he wouldn't be around after 220 kilometer.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I suppose his job was to mark Remco from behind, and if Pogacar failed, to have fresh legs for a hypothetical sprint. But we've already said that Roglic can't fulfill that role because he wouldn't be around after 220 kilometer.

He didn't mark anyone

 

[Pantani_lives]

If he wins Lombardia he'd do the same as Merckx in 1971: Tour + WC + three monuments...

 

[Gargamel35]

Roglič is a Slovenian legend and earned his right not to do *** for anyone.
Despite that he and all other Slo riders were there to support Pog and plan was to help him later in the race. Problem was Pog decided to attack way earlier then team planned he would so they were not ready and stayed behind.

 

[HashRouge]

He didn't mark anyone

He was actually doing a decent job disrupting the chase behind for a while. The Lanterne Rouge guys were talking about it.
But also, the way Pogacar rides the world championships doesn't give Roglic much of a job to do. There is no point being mad at Roglic that Pogacar didn't need him.

 

[Gargamel35]

He was actually doing a decent job disrupting the chase behind for a while. The Lanterne Rouge guys were talking about it.
But also, the way Pogacar rides the world championships doesn't give Roglic much of a job to do. There is no point being mad at Roglic that Pogacar didn't need him.

Roglič said the same thing. He said Pog just went and he's way too strong for Rog or any other to help but Rog then tried to disrupt the chasing group with positioning, braking, etc.

 

[Savant12]

He was actually doing a decent job disrupting the chase behind for a while. The Lanterne Rouge guys were talking about it.
But also, the way Pogacar rides the world championships doesn't give Roglic much of a job to do. There is no point being mad at Roglic that Pogacar didn't need him.

Agreed! He did filter into a few chase groups and sat on doing nothing. Can't hate Roglic here.

 

[bNator]

Agreed! He did filter into a few chase groups and sat on doing nothing. Can't hate Roglic here.

Never underestimate the capacity for hatred from individuals who claimed “god is great” on this board when Roglič dropped his chain on Monte Lussari.

 

[pihi42]

A rider becomes the World Champion. Then you look at his palmares on PCS and it hardly changed. Only in the fifth row of best results a number went from 1 to 2.
How much longer this will go on, no one knows. But it's become like a supermario game or something. Just collecting. Where and how Pogi finds the motivation, I don't know. I don't know anything about winning, demolishing all the others. Cause one day its a martian from Denmark, then its the MVP of cyclocross, then its the next Eddy Merckx. They take turns, nipping at you. Biting at your heels. Sometimes they get you, then you escape the next day. The phantom goats of the past chasing you in your dreams. Yet you're only the 2nd son of your own country, forever silently hated for betraying the chosen one, the Primus.
And then again you're just a normal person, a buddy, a lover, a partner. Just like any great human before, you are a mere mortal standing on someone's shoulders to peek into the great abyss, staring back at you.
Comes the next race and you reset. How?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Roglič is a Slovenian legend and earned his right not to do *** for anyone.
Despite that he and all other Slo riders were there to support Pog and plan was to help him later in the race. Problem was Pog decided to attack way earlier then team planned he would so they were not ready and stayed behind.

Lol at that reasoning. Because of his palmarés (which is great, but nowhere near Pogacar, his teammate BTW) he has earned the right not to lift a finger? Thats so funny.

Better than last year, and that says a lot, but the route obviously also is more suited to the strongest rider on this course. Just as expected, wasn't it?

 

[hayneplane]

If he wins Lombardia he'd do the same as Merckx in 1971: Tour + WC + three monuments...

With the added achievement of a podium in all 5 monuments in the same season which has never been done before.

 

[hayneplane]

He was actually doing a decent job disrupting the chase behind for a while. The Lanterne Rouge guys were talking about it.
But also, the way Pogacar rides the world championships doesn't give Roglic much of a job to do. There is no point being mad at Roglic that Pogacar didn't need him.

The only thing that would have made a difference was if Roglic set a hard pace on Mont Kigali for 3-4 km and shredded the field for longer before Pogacar stepped it up. Given how quickly Remco went backwards when the pace went up, if there had been 5+ minutes more at high pace he might have lost too much time to ever come back into medal contention.

Obviously this would not have changed anything materially for Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The only thing that would have made a difference was if Roglic set a hard pace on Mont Kigali for 3-4 km and shredded the field for longer before Pogacar stepped it up. Given how quickly Remco went backwards when the pace went up, if there had been 5+ minutes more at high pace he might have lost too much time to ever come back into medal contention.

Obviously this would not have changed anything materially for Pogacar.

That should be Roglic’s work however I understand he is a legend in Slovenia.

 

[hayneplane]

That should be Roglic’s work however I understand he is a legend in Slovenia.

Just imagine the UAE launchpad there and the differences would have been twice as big in that attack phase.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Just imagine the UAE launchpad there and the differences would have been twice as big in that attack phase.

He would attack later to be honest. But in GdL we will see how better Pogacar is compared to his rivals.
If he had:
Del Toro
Sivakov
Veermersch
Ayuso

This RR would be a massacre since km 1.

 

[rafa92]

He would attack later to be honest. But in GdL we will see how better Pogacar is compared to his rivals.
If he had:
Del Toro
Sivakov
Veermersch
Ayuso

This RR would be a massacre since km 1.

you lost me at ayuso! with ayuso in the team it would be worse, with all the others it will be great

 

[Peyroteo94]

you lost me at ayuso! with ayuso in the team it would be worse, with all the others it will be great

I said Ayuso because he was in Rwanda.

 

[HashRouge]

He would attack later to be honest. But in GdL we will see how better Pogacar is compared to his rivals.
If he had:
Del Toro
Sivakov
Veermersch
Ayuso

This RR would be a massacre since km 1.

Honestly, I like to see him race things like the world championships without a super strong team.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Honestly, I like to see him race things like the world championships without a super strong team.

Of course, it's where he makes these legendary rides.
With a good team, he would probably drop everyone with 30 km to the finish.

 

[rafa92]

I said Ayuso because he was in Rwanda.

yes yes, I get that

 

[HashRouge]

Of course, it's where he makes these legendary rides.
With a good team, he would probably drop everyone with 30 km to the finish.

Yes, this is true. I think his weak team is the reason he's ended up attacking so far out for two years in a row. Last year, his team was done and he was worried about the size/ quality of the break that was ahead, and this year he knew his team wouldn't get over Mount Kigali and the Mur de Kigali, so decided to preempt things.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, this is true. I think his weak team is the reason he's ended up attacking so far out for two years in a row. Last year, his team was done and he was worried about the size/ quality of the break that was ahead, and this year he knew his team wouldn't get over Mount Kigali and the Mur de Kigali, so decided to preempt things.

This is why I think the best strategy was Roglic doing a hard tempo on Mount Kigali. This would rip the peloton and Belgium would no longer have 3 riders with Remco

 

[Peyroteo94]

Next week, another solo of 70 km.
My question is: Can Slovenia survive until the last big climb?