And that would be a good bet cause Roglic has been riding like dogshit. He should just have let him go and remained calm and collected. Instead he rode like a neo - fronting the group 90% of the time up Galibier and biting on obvious bait. Vingegaard will thrash this guy tomorrow.
Pogacar looked and sounded surprisingly chirpy in interview after the stage when you might have expected him to be fairly downbeat. Maybe it’s just his nature as nothing seems to faze him too much. Or maybe he’s just playing a game of poker and he’s trying to hide the extent to which he actually suffered today. I expect JV to twist the knife and test his mettle again tomorrow whlist the opportunity is there.
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Hunger knock. Whenever a rider is beaten, it's always the first to come up in that rider's thread. Gotta love that.
You know sometimes, a cyclist just gets beaten. Because someone else is faster that particular day. It's not out of the realm of possibilities you know. I also think he'll be back, he isn't done with this Tour by a long shot. The excuses people want to bring up just annoy me. He got beaten on merit today.
You know sometimes, a cyclist just gets beaten. Because someone else is faster that particular day. It's not out of the realm of possibilities you know. I also think he'll be back, he isn't done with this Tour by a long shot. The excuses people want to bring up just annoy me. He got beaten on merit today.
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That's easy to say in hindsight. If Roglic manages to bridge to van Aert, Pogacar loses loads of time in the valley with van Aert pacing. In the best case scenario it's a TT between van Aert and Majka. In the worst case, and maybe even more realistic scenario it's Pogacar having to ride himself in the valley, basically killing himself.
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At one point early on the Galibier they (Roglic, Pogacar and Thomas) were something like 40 seconds ahead of the next group. Easy to say in hindsight that Roglic would have gone nowhere and gifting him 40 seconds should not have been an issue,
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6.3 W/kg for 15 minutes at average altitude of nearly 2200 meters is super strong. Super super strong.
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Pogacar got out teamed, maneuvered, and foxed by Vingegaard and TJV to a greater extent then Evans by Sastre and Saxo in 2008. Good news for him is there’s plenty of stages to attack, bad news is he has to do it by himself for the most part against a far stronger team.
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No way Vingo would have dropped Pogacar without him constantly covering attacks. He was responding like he was The Incredible Hulk, an infinite source of energy.
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On occasions like this, I sometimes think about how clear it was in 2019 that Bernal was about to win 5 Tours. And in 2009 that Contador was about to win 7. Pogacar still could, but there’s always talent in the pipeline and wrinkles in the plan
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Hats off to Vingo, this is a career defining win for him. He can do it. And it dispels the myth that you can win a modern TdF without a strong team. Pog's team is only Majka, really. They were going to be exposed.
Poor tactics: Pog should have stuck to Vingo's wheel. Let Rog go, stop chasing bunnies!
He may become a Merckx, Hinault, or more, but Tadej showed that he's still a puppy. Which is scary when you see how much he has already won.
Now let's take care of this mess.
Poor tactics: Pog should have stuck to Vingo's wheel. Let Rog go, stop chasing bunnies!
He may become a Merckx, Hinault, or more, but Tadej showed that he's still a puppy. Which is scary when you see how much he has already won.
Now let's take care of this mess.
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and he got hammered by a sacrificial Primoz while Tadej took the bait. Roglic made it easy for Jonas to counter and those efforts on the Galibier combined with Tadej drilling it on the descent to the final climb was too much work. Maijka's tempo appeared to make him uncomfortable for 2km before Jonas attacked. He was looking down and his shoulders were tight tight tight. Haven't seen that tell in his riding style before. He could have had some food shortages on a stage like that, too. He didn't see support as much as Jonas.
He'll recover but the gap is considerable. They both have to watch for Nairo, Bardet and a few others that might choose to raid the pantry if they neutralize each other. Hope tomorrow was as active as today!
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Pogacar has one advantage now: Jumbo will control other GC rivals. So he has no reason to be concerned by anyone other than Vingegaard. He'll probably return to a 2020 situation now & see what's what behind the Jumbo train. He clearly has a huge time deficit & he also has a team which cannot control the race, therefor retaking yellow is not only unlikely today (who knows on Alpe...) but it's probably unadvisable considering what's coming next.
Oh & special shoutout to George Bennett, i.e. present in Jumbo's squad on that fateful 2020 TdF, transferred to UAE to finally win the Tour & then gets Covid & the rest is history (unfinished history, bit the time situation for Pogacar looks bleak right now).
George Bennet, aka the black cat of the TdF.
Oh & special shoutout to George Bennett, i.e. present in Jumbo's squad on that fateful 2020 TdF, transferred to UAE to finally win the Tour & then gets Covid & the rest is history (unfinished history, bit the time situation for Pogacar looks bleak right now).
George Bennet, aka the black cat of the TdF.
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It would make sense if Pogi wasn't beated by 5 other riders by near a minute and more.
This are not excuses, almost everybody wants to know what went wrong since this is not performance to his usual standard.
Was it a JV tactic tiring him, bad day, heat, hunger knock, dehidration, Covid, mix of circumstances? He simply did not look right in the last climb and nobody expected this after action on Galibier.
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Sure, but my question was not wether it would make him a more exciting rider. My point is that he would look a bit silly if he keeps showing up in monstrous form and destroys everyone in Tirreno and UAE tour, only to be dropped at terminal velocity at the Tour by people who target it more specifically. I doubt that's a tradeoff he's willing to keep making. Of course the question might be a bit premature. He could still come back in this Tour.
Oh okay. I was just parroting some pundit. Thanks for correcting that
Evenepoel would have finished behind Mas yesterday.
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It will be hard given the strenght of JV and weak UAE. They can simply cover every attack he makes and if the situation for "mano a mano" with Vinge occurs I think he will have hard time dropping him due to several factors (Vinge is extremely good climber, he will be fresher as team will be able to shelter him, he will just shaddow Pogi to the rest of the climb) and making any significant gap.
He has to be well inside a minute marker to stand a chance on final ITT (and Vinge is not a bad TTer so nothing is given there) and there are only 3 hard stages where he can make a gap left. Considering JV probably won't have interest in chasing by all means and UAE is not strong enough, bonus seconds are questionable too. Off course I hope I am wrong
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He lost 40 seconds per km which is a difference between a top gc guy and a weak breakaway guy. But its not only about Vinge. Did you see the data? He had like 5.2 w per kg during last few km (laughable even for an average climber let alone the best climber in recent years) being easily overtaken by guys weaker than him. It wasnt normal at all. He exploded too much.
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My bad. I understand. They should certanly reconsider how to get him at right shape at the right time (the same goes with supporting cast of UAE team). At the end of the day TDF is the biggest of grand tours and should be a primary goal for any rider. At the moment I actually think it is not just about his team decision but also Pogi's youth and desire to win multiple one week races and some monuments during season.
TDF 2021 was simply to easy for him (it was over since he blown the GC race apart in stage 8) and now he (and his team) will have to adjust to new reality in 2022. We will see. Like he said "it is not over till it is over" but he would have to go "nuklear" to gain lost time back and JV certanly has other plans
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Hindley did 6.4 for 19 on Fedaia at average 1800ish, which if you ONLY adjust for altitude is a little better I think, but everything in total suggests Vingegaards performance is much crazier.
It also shows nicely how badly Pogacar cracked at the end. I think he even paced himself really poorly once he got dropped because he just kept going slower and slower and like 3 guys previously dropped passed him.
If you look at pogacar, this year compared to previous years. He has clearly gained weight and I think this is the reason why he struggled yesterday.
Here are two pictures
2020
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_...20)_-_Yellow_jersey_-_Tour_de_France_2020.jpg
2022:
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Here are two pictures
2020
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_...20)_-_Yellow_jersey_-_Tour_de_France_2020.jpg
2022:
"F**king move your arse and risk it": Andy Schleck gives Tour de France peloton advice on how to beat Tadej Pogačar
As simple as that (apparently)...
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I think he simply spent too much on the Galibier chasing Roglic’s lure and paid for it in the Col du Granon? Anyway we see on the Alpe his true form.
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