Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Levels over MVDP, WVA, JV and RE in world. He is in his own league!

 

[Miha81]

Just ride and ride and ride some more. Always impressed.

 

[Panda Claws]

Could he do it on a cold day in the Tour of Britain though?

 

[Red Rick]

Could he do it on a cold day in the Tour of Britain though?

He's cold weather merchant so I'm sure he could do it on a cold rainy Tuesday night against Stoke.

 

[Blanco]

What a ride(r)!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Could he do it on a cold day in the Tour of Britain though?

With Pogačar you‘ve got to ask for the warm day, even if it breaks the joke.

 

[DNP-Old]

The real question is whether he could do it on a hot day in the Volta. My guess? No. He will never beat peak Balarcon, the true greatest rider of all time.

 

[how yes no?]

Eat some of those tasty looking flandrian fried chips, more than deserved, but please don't forget the main course comes in July Tadej!

 

[Big Doopie]

Don't use the term Greatest Of All Time lightly. Maybe in five or ten years. But now it's still too early. Won't even mention the obvious Belgian guy.

Ocana wasn’t Belgian.

Nor Lemond.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Eat some of those tasty looking flandrian fried chips, more than deserved, but please don't forget the main course comes in July Tadej!

Not necessarily, he built a monstrous larger-mass peak for this race. At the Tour he will prepare a lower-mass peak and IMO he treats both equally seriously. If he is fed up with GTs he may even become a one-day specialist!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

The real question is whether he could do it on a hot day in the Volta. My guess? No. He will never beat peak Balarcon, the true greatest rider of all time.

peak Balarcon lost to Babyface at the 2017 Vuelta Madrid though, so he is the actual GOAT.

 

[Vino's Mum]

Don't use the term Greatest Of All Time lightly. Maybe in five or ten years. But now it's still too early. Won't even mention the obvious Belgian guy.

Yeah, he’s got some way to go to match Remco.

 

[Poursuivant]

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[rokovski]

Champion!
I think its time to remove something from Remcos theard title and add to Pogačars

 

[how yes no?]

Not necessarily, he built a monstrous larger-mass peak for this race. At the Tour he will prepare a lower-mass peak and IMO he treats both equally seriously. If he is fed up with GTs he may even become a one-day specialist!

You're right and I also fear of him being fed up, that's precisely the reason why I'm not overconfidant in his July form.
But right now, this still counts as an away victory and he has to reclaim his home terrain win in GT.
Actually he's relatively less at home at the tour compared to Jonas, so one might argue that's he's always playing on away terrain, but looking at today, there might come a time, when it will be considered everywhere is his home terrain.

 

[meat puppet]

One of the questions is how exactly is he able to swim against the currents of specialisation? He has some anaerobic capacity & punch, but is not hampered too much by it in GTs. And at the same time he has such a superior aerobic capacity and thus endurance that he can break MVDPs and WVAs from far away in hard classics. Because cycling is an aerobic sport, dammit, the latter is of course more important.

But for the past 30yrs this has not really been the case save for a couple exceptions, but Pogi does it frequently. So, how can some riders become aerobically dominant again: genes? training? wrong subforum?

 

[JosefK]

So, four monument victories, 2-time TDF champion, multiple world tour stage races. Still 24 years old.

 

[Netserk]

God on a bike.

While he isn't one of my favourites, I have nothing but huge respect for him.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

You're right and I also fear of him being fed up, that's precisely the reason why I'm not overconfidant in his July form.
But right now, this still counts as an away victory and he has to reclaim his home terrain win in GT.
Actually he's relatively less at home at the tour compared to Jonas, so one might argue that's he's always playing on away terrain, but looking at today, there might come a time, when it will be considered everywhere is his home terrain.

Keep in mind ridiculous performances that lead to his Tour 2020 and 2021 victories. He's a stage-race monster, make no mistake. Obviously Vinge proved to be super strong and can with the Tour again...or not. We will see.

I'm not even sure Pog should go to LBL now having achieved his biggest spring goal. Obviously normally he would be the favourite but he'll likely be past his peak there and I think that even more rest may be needed when thinking about his next big goal (TdF). He went really deep today.

 

[Big Doopie]

One of the questions is how exactly is he able to swim against the currents of specialisation? He has some anaerobic capacity & punch, but is not hampered too much by it in GTs. And at the same time he has such a superior aerobic capacity and thus endurance that he can break MVDPs and WVAs from far away in hard classics. Because cycling is an aerobic sport, dammit, the latter is of course more important.

But for the past 30yrs this has not really been the case save for a couple exceptions, but Pogi does it frequently. So, how can some riders become aerobically dominant again: genes? training? wrong subforum?

my guess here is genes.

however, i despise gianetti.

 

[Netserk]

One of the questions is how exactly is he able to swim against the currents of specialisation? He has some anaerobic capacity & punch, but is not hampered too much by it in GTs. And at the same time he has such a superior aerobic capacity and thus endurance that he can break MVDPs and WVAs from far away in hard classics. Because cycling is an aerobic sport, dammit, the latter is of course more important.

But for the past 30yrs this has not really been the case save for a couple exceptions, but Pogi does it frequently. So, how can some riders become aerobically dominant again: genes? training? wrong subforum?

Probably a bit of everything.

 

[Netserk]

Keep in mind ridiculous performances that lead to his Tour 2020 and 2021 victories. He's a stage-race monster, make no mistake. Obviously Vinge proved to be super strong and can with the Tour again...or not. We will see.

I'm not even sure Pog should go to LBL now having achieved his biggest spring goal. Obviously normally he would be the favourite but he'll likely be past his peak there and I think that even more rest may be needed when thinking about his next big goal (TdF). He went really deep today.

Liège is three weeks out. Plenty of time for rest, both before and after.

 

[Didinho]

Liège is three weeks out. Plenty of time for rest, both before and after.

Wasn't he also going to do the 3 upcoming races? Or did I read that wrong some time ago.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Liège is three weeks out. Plenty of time for rest, both before and after.

Yeah but he is also planning at least one lead-up race (Amstel, I think FW was removed). Maybe he will only focus on LBL.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Two weeks until Amstel -> Fleche Wallone (glorious training ride) and then Liege, thats perfect.