Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Offline]

McNulty appeared on the MSR starting list and Wellens disappeared, which is not good news for Pogacar.

Damn that team is no where close to be good enough to make the race hard enough for Pogacar.

 

[SHAD0W93]

McNulty appeared on the MSR starting list and Wellens disappeared, which is not good news for Pogacar.

Wellens is trying to save himself before the explosion.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I like Morgado but I think that the Tour is too important for Pogacar to take the risk of bringing Morgado. As good as he may be, he's never raced a grand tour let along the Tour de France, which will likely be raced at an infernal pace.

Del Toro would be a slightly less risky bet, I think, given that he's adapted to very high level WT racing basically immediately, but both is a step too far.

Del Toro has started the season off, flying. Which is not uncommon for young guys who want to prove themselves (especially in a cut-throat team like that, every opportunity has to be seized). They are in better shape because these early 1 week stage races are a way for them to show what they can do. While the other pros are all riding these races to build up form towards classics, Giro or Tour. If you send Del Toro to the Tour, there is a good chance his form will not be better than it is right now, potentially even less so. Difference being all the seasoned pros will then be in top form unlike now. Imho this would be too big of a risk, both for the rider as for his leader who wants to win a GT. Imho, it would be irresponsible, especially if you are expecting these guys to actually do a certain job in the train. That means no taking it easy and "seeing where things take us" or just picking out a few stages to go all out.

UAE should send the both of them to the Vuelta. Let them play around now until their form drops off, then build up towards late summer.

 

[Monsi]

No Wellens on UAE’s startlist for MSR is baffling unless that is Wellens’ decision himself.

 

[Red Rick]

Fresh test numbers are always super high. Remember the 458w for 20 min by Contador?

 

[Froome]

Fresh test numbers are always super high. Remember the 458w for 20 min by Contador?

7 w/kg for Pogacar in 20 minutes is probably a low number for him, it would mean he stagnated in the last years.
Probably he can even do better than that, when he is fresh.

Vingegaard did 7 w/kg during almost 20 minutes on marie blanque.

 

[Netserk]

Fresh test numbers are always super high. Remember the 458w for 20 min by Contador?

7.4 W/kg. A shame we never saw that in a race.

 

[mou]

Fresh test numbers are always super high. Remember the 458w for 20 min by Contador?

you forget that Pog doesn't do his numbers fresh but after 3-4 hours of driving behind a scooter

 

[Brullnux]

Del Toro has started the season off, flying. Which is not uncommon for young guys who want to prove themselves (especially in a cut-throat team like that, every opportunity has to be seized). They are in better shape because these early 1 week stage races are a way for them to show what they can do. While the other pros are all riding these races to build up form towards classics, Giro or Tour. If you send Del Toro to the Tour, there is a good chance his form will not be better than it is right now, potentially even less so. Difference being all the seasoned pros will then be in top form unlike now. Imho this would be too big of a risk, both for the rider as for his leader who wants to win a GT. Imho, it would be irresponsible, especially if you are expecting these guys to actually do a certain job in the train. That means no taking it easy and "seeing where things take us" or just picking out a few stages to go all out.

UAE should send the both of them to the Vuelta. Let them play around now until their form drops off, then build up towards late summer.

I don't disagree at all, especially when you do have Ayuso and Almeida there, but as a first reserve it might be an interesting punt.

 

[Brullnux]

you forget that Pog doesn't do his numbers fresh but after 3-4 hours of driving behind a scooter

Oh is he banking on some neat moto-pacing in July?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Oh is he banking on some neat moto-pacing in July?

Yeah, he'll suck Vingegaard's wheel and then strike.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Yeah, he'll suck Vingegaard's wheel and then strike.

Them Slovenians! * shakes fist *

 

[Brullnux]

Yeah, he'll suck Vingegaard's wheel and then strike.

Perfect prep then

 

[mou]

who can have 8.5W/kg for 12 minutes on a hill with a 5% gradient behind a scooter? that's how much Pog had 3 days before Strade Bianche, I'm telling you they made a monster from a catastrophically trained champion with an adequate trainer at the top level in the ranks of trainers from Visma, and Sola it is definitely that level

 

[snipeheem]

who can have 8.5W/kg for 12 minutes on a hill with a 5% gradient behind a scooter? that's how much Pog had 3 days before Strade Bianche, I'm telling you they made a monster from a catastrophically trained champion with an adequate trainer at the top level in the ranks of trainers from Visma, and Sola it is definitely that level

Not a long ago i ask the question about Pogi being top10 climber ever, but since i am start to reading your post about his power,watts,etc i think the question i should ask should be , was prime Pantani close to 2024 Pogi.

 

[joseph89]

who can have 8.5W/kg for 12 minutes on a hill with a 5% gradient behind a scooter? that's how much Pog had 3 days before Strade Bianche, I'm telling you they made a monster from a catastrophically trained champion with an adequate trainer at the top level in the ranks of trainers from Visma, and Sola it is definitely that level

just show us his current power curve and drop the FTP

 

[scribers]

Maybe they are ready physically... but probably not mentally, tactically and experience wise.

As bruyneel said quite a few times the last few years about this rash of young champions, he would never send someone so young, “but what do I know about todays cycling? I don’t understand it anymore”

 

[scribers]

who can have 8.5W/kg for 12 minutes on a hill with a 5% gradient behind a scooter? that's how much Pog had 3 days before Strade Bianche, I'm telling you they made a monster from a catastrophically trained champion with an adequate trainer at the top level in the ranks of trainers from Visma, and Sola it is definitely that level

Man I love this guy! Lol

 

[Froome]

who can have 8.5W/kg for 12 minutes on a hill with a 5% gradient behind a scooter? that's how much Pog had 3 days before Strade Bianche, I'm telling you they made a monster from a catastrophically trained champion with an adequate trainer at the top level in the ranks of trainers from Visma, and Sola it is definitely that level

 

[QueenStagiaire]

who can have 8.5W/kg for 12 minutes on a hill with a 5% gradient behind a scooter? that's how much Pog had 3 days before Strade Bianche, I'm telling you they made a monster from a catastrophically trained champion with an adequate trainer at the top level in the ranks of trainers from Visma, and Sola it is definitely that level

What does the scooter have to do with Pogačar‘s wattage? Do you reverse engineer these numbers from climbing times or do you also have a picture of the wattage file or the file?

 

[tobydawq]

What does the scooter have to do with Pogačar‘s wattage? Do you reverse engineer these numbers from climbing times or do you also have a picture of the wattage file or the file?

Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

 

[Netserk]

What does the scooter have to do with Pogačar‘s wattage? Do you reverse engineer these numbers from climbing times or do you also have a picture of the wattage file or the file?

Pogi usually rides so close to vehicles in front of him that he risks coming to a halt. Unfortunately necessary to state explicitly: j/k

 

[Valv.Piti]

8.5 w/kg for 12 minutes? Really?

 

[mou]

What does the scooter have to do with Pogačar‘s wattage? Do you reverse engineer these numbers from climbing times or do you also have a picture of the wattage file or the file?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1767261000254792093

View: https://x.com/mou55981652/status/1767261000254792093?s=20

 

[mou]

8.5 w/kg for 12 minutes? Really?

556W : 65,47 kg =8,49w/kg