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Red Rick

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Valv.Piti said:
Too early, Dekker.

Is he already better than peak Contador and Froome? Id still take 2009 Contador over him, I think. And winning 7 TdFs in the manner Armstrong did, you cant really put Pogi above than either IMO. Not like Lance defended in the mountains, at least not the first mountain range.
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It's a bit weird to look at just climbing times, which is where Pogacar is objectively better now that probably even 2009 Contador. But for dominance compared to the rest of the field he isn't. Pogacr is better in the hills though.
 
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gregrowlerson said:
It is difficult to know what will happen. Until he does it again, he isn't that much different to Bernal from a year earlier. I mean, people were probably talking about Bernal 12 months ago, in a similar way to Pogacar now. I know that the Slovenian's level appears higher, but the peloton has gotten faster in general; I'm not sure if Pogacar in the last 12 months has been anymore dominant than Bernal (when compared to their rivals) was in the season before that.
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Well, there is the fact that he is setting climbing records last year and this. And significant ones. While blasting the competition.
 
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Krzysztof_O

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Red Rick said:
It's a bit weird to look at just climbing times, which is where Pogacar is objectively better now that probably even 2009 Contador. But for dominance compared to the rest of the field he isn't. Pogacr is better in the hills though.
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Contador in 2009 had VAM close to 1900 m/h on Verbier, historically one of very few TdF climbs faster than Poga's Peyresourde or PDBF.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Contador in 2009 had VAM close to 1900 m/h on Verbier, historically one of very few TdF climbs faster than Poga's Peyresourde or PDBF.
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True. Verbier stage was easier though.

Overall, I don't see Pogacar really as a pure climber, and he might be slightly less dominant in the greatest mountain stages or on the biggest climbs, but that difference won't be gigantic either.
 
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Contador was never that amazing on the greatest mountain stages either though, he was more of an explosive 1 climb rider
 
Red Rick

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Valv.Piti said:
Contador was never that amazing on the greatest mountain stages either though, he was more of an explosive 1 climb rider
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The riders that are noticably better on the huge stages than the typical mountain stages is pretty low IMO.
 
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He is on another level right now. I'm looking forward to see how he'll do in Itzulia (hopefully a battle with a healthy Roglič) and the Ardennes. I'm starting to think he's almost unbeatable in a GT if he has no bad luck. At least it's starting to look like it.
 
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Red Rick said:
True. Verbier stage was easier though.

Overall, I don't see Pogacar really as a pure climber, and he might be slightly less dominant in the greatest mountain stages or on the biggest climbs, but that difference won't be gigantic either.
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Pogacar doesn't look like a pure climber at all. He looks more like an all-rounder or GT specialist, who's strong on various terrain: mountains, hills and TT. He looked big compared to Yates yesterday.
 
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Ripper said:
Lol.
Referencing extraterrestrial performances. Times they are interesting!
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Interestingly Alpe d'Huez is missing in the 3rd consecutive TdF edition. It hasn't happened since 1976. I feel that on a good day Pogi's time there would be on Armstrong level (beaten only by Pantani). Well, maybe the French don't want Alpe back...
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Interestingly Alpe d'Huez is missing in the 3rd consecutive TdF edition. It hasn't happened since 1976. I feel that on a good day Pogi's time there would be on Armstrong level (beaten only by Pantani). Well, maybe the French don't want Alpe back...
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No kidding. Imagine they pull the power meter out of his bike so that he goes full power and ends up in company of Pantani.
 
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Are Pogas times faster up climbs because they have big trains driving the pace these days at the start of the climbs, where as Contador rarely had that pace being brutal before he went or is it just purely Pogacar climbing faster sitting down than a guy who had to climb out of the saddle full ball for his times.

I haven't looked at the numbers just asking,
 
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Looking at 2018:
Wout debuts in Strade Bianchi
Sagan takes his last monument and Froome his last GT.
Pogacar wins L'Avenir
 
gregrowlerson

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Ripper said:
Well, there is the fact that he is setting climbing records last year and this. And significant ones. While blasting the competition.
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Blasting? He was taking 10-30 seconds on Porte in MTF's last year (and breaking even with Roglic). Whereas say Armstrong was taking 30 plus seconds on Ullrich on almost every MTF.
 
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