Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Froome]

But Valverde has better GC palmares.

Froome has a better GC palmares than Gilbert and Valverde together!

 

[AmRacer]

Froome has a better GC palmares than Gilbert and Valverde together!

Yes, you have.

 

[Froome]

Yes, you have.

Corretion! Froome has a better palmares than Valverde, Gilbert and Pogacar together!

 

[AmRacer]

Corretion! Froome has a better palmares than Valverde, Gilbert and Pogacar together!

Almost better GC palmares than Poggi, Jonas and Rogla.

 

[Red Rick]

Froome has a better GC palmares than Gilbert and Valverde together!

Fun fact, Red Rick and Stefanos Tsitsipas have more ATP Monte Carlo titles than Djokovic, Murray and Federer together.

Yes, I am that good

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Fun fact, Red Rick and Stefanos Tsitsipas have more ATP Monte Carlo titles than Djokovic, Murray and Federer together.

Yes, I am that good

I've won as many Giros as Teddy and as many ATP Finals as Rafa. I'm the best of both worlds, try to beat that.

 

[Froome]

I've won as many Giros as Teddy and as many ATP Finals as Rafa. I'm the best of both worlds, try to beat that.

Yeah, but Red Rick and Roglic have more Vueltas together than Vingegaard and Pogacar.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Yeah, but Red Rick and Roglic have more Vueltas together than Vingegaard and Pogacar.

They also have more Vueltas than you, Pogacar and Vingegaard combined

 

[RedheadDane]

I've won as many Giros as Teddy and as many ATP Finals as Rafa. I'm the best of both worlds, try to beat that.

I'll bet my sanity that half of that statement is incorrect by the end of May!

 

[Blanco]

Prime Gilbert would smoke prime Valverde in any given day.

In Roubaix and Ronde sure.
In Liege and Lombardia opposite of sure.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, but Red Rick and Roglic have more Vueltas together than Vingegaard and Pogacar.

As my mate Rogla likes to say: "No Rick, no glory"

 

[Peyroteo94]

In Roubaix and Ronde sure.
In Liege and Lombardia opposite of sure.

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

 

[AmRacer]

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

But it's the opposite regards GC.

 

[tobydawq]

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

Valverde's absence in 2011 was the reason Gilbert stood that much out.

 

[Merckx]

Pogačar is the most talented and versatile rider we’ve seen in generations. Maybe the best ever. The next few seasons should cement this.

 

[Salvarani]

Pogačar is the most talented and versatile rider we’ve seen in generations. Maybe the best ever. The next few seasons should cement this.

Thanks Eddy for your input.

From one GOAT to another.

 

[AmRacer]

Pogačar is the most talented and versatile rider we’ve seen in generations. Maybe the best ever. The next few seasons should cement this.

Yeah, you should know.

 

[Sciatic]

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

Balverde already had 1-2 GTs ( at lead going for GC) by the time Lombardia rolled around, it just didn’t seem like a priority for him.

Comparing those two should probably be like the old figure skating judging where you throw out the high and low scores. Take way each of their best years and then compare.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pogačar is the most talented and versatile rider we’ve seen in generations. Maybe the best ever. The next few seasons should cement this.

Definitely the most funny and convenient poster comeback ever!

 

[Peyroteo94]

But it's the opposite regards GC.

Dude, we are talking about classics. Read again.

 

[hayneplane]

Put Valverde and Gilbert into the present day against peak Pogacar and Evenepoel in LBL and GDL and the former duo win a maximum of 1 hilly monument each imo barring crashes and DNS.

 

[Blanco]

Hum, one has 2 Lombardias, the other has a fantastic 0 names written in Lombardia's trophy...
Different course? Yes, but still a very hard one. 2011 Gilbert would cook Valverde with one leg. We are talking about ability, the difference in panache is even bigger. One is a charismatic attacking rider, the other is just an uphill sprinter.

Dude, 2011 Gilber existed because Valverde wasn't riding!
Gilbert beat Valverde twice at the Cauberg, and that's about it.
Gilbert never won a monument when Valverde was racing.

2006 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 38th.
2006 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 92nd.
2007 Liege: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 16th.
2008 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 91st.
2010 Liege: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 4th (beat him directly).
2013 Liege: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 7th (drop him like a stone on St.Nicholas, you should watch, hilarious stuff )
2013 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 9th.
2013 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 20th.
2014 Liege: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 8th (again droped like a stone, this time on Cote de Ans)
2014 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 7th.
2014 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 7th.
2015 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 36th.
2015 Worlds: Valverde 5th, Gilbert 10th.
2015 Lombardia: Valverde 4th, Gilbert 33rd.
2019 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 54th.
2021 Liege: Valverde 4th, Gilbert 102nd.

 

[Blanco]

Put Valverde and Gilbert into the present day against peak Pogacar and Evenepoel in LBL and GDL and the former duo win a maximum of 1 hilly monument each imo barring crashes and DNS.

Yeah, put Rik Van Looy and Roger De Vlaeminck, they would win none, but every of those mentioned could still clean their shoes in terms of classics.

 

[Gigs_98]

Dude, 2011 Gilber existed because Valverde wasn't riding!
Gilbert beat Valverde twice at the Cauberg, and that's about it.
Gilbert never won a monument when Valverde was racing.

2006 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 38th.
2006 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 92nd.
2007 Liege: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 16th.
2008 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 91st.
2010 Liege: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 4th (beat him directly).
2013 Liege: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 7th (drop him like a stone on St.Nicholas, you should watch, hilarious stuff )
2013 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 9th.
2013 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 20th.
2014 Liege: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 8th (again droped like a stone, this time on Cote de Ans)
2014 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 7th.
2014 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 7th.
2015 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 36th.
2015 Worlds: Valverde 5th, Gilbert 10th.
2015 Lombardia: Valverde 4th, Gilbert 33rd.
2019 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 54th.
2021 Liege: Valverde 4th, Gilbert 102nd.

Damn, what could have been if Valverde hadn't won all those monuments in front of Gilbert. He single handedly cost him a 37th, a 90th and a 35th place.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Dude, 2011 Gilber existed because Valverde wasn't riding!
Gilbert beat Valverde twice at the Cauberg, and that's about it.
Gilbert never won a monument when Valverde was racing.

2006 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 38th.
2006 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 92nd.
2007 Liege: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 16th.
2008 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 91st.
2010 Liege: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 4th (beat him directly).
2013 Liege: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 7th (drop him like a stone on St.Nicholas, you should watch, hilarious stuff )
2013 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 9th.
2013 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 20th.
2014 Liege: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 8th (again droped like a stone, this time on Cote de Ans)
2014 Worlds: Valverde 3rd, Gilbert 7th.
2014 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 7th.
2015 Liege: Valverde 1st, Gilbert 36th.
2015 Worlds: Valverde 5th, Gilbert 10th.
2015 Lombardia: Valverde 4th, Gilbert 33rd.
2019 Lombardia: Valverde 2nd, Gilbert 54th.
2021 Liege: Valverde 4th, Gilbert 102nd.

Good joke. Gilbert was not professional when he was in BMC. That's the difference between them, Valverde is a maniac who lives for this sport and Gilbert didn't love training and often was far from his true ceilling.