Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

He is looking good. He will win the Tour if he dont have any accidents.

There are a lot of mountains still to ride. He will be at his best on stages 14 and 15 but he needs to maintain his level for the final 3 days, specially stage 19 (queen stage for me).

 

[James M]

There are a lot of mountains still to ride. He will be at his best on stages 14 and 15 but he needs to maintain his level for the final 3 days, specially stage 19 (queen stage for me).

True exactly this thats the only suspense there is he is clearly stronger and better question is only if he can maintain it cause of the Giro. After next weekend he will have over 2minutes if not more. Noone is staying on his wheel in the mountains without blowing up. So looking very good.

 

[Berniece]

You're right but I still maintain my point. Pogacar can compete with Remco in 3-5% TT not on completely flat roads.

I agree, he showed that today. He only lost 12s, that in my opinion is already competing for the win in a 25km TT

 

[pihi42]

I love how Vingegaard is relying on past events more and more ("I took 7 minutes on two stages, 25 seconds is nothing").
Basing your results on opposition bonking is somewhat suspect. I feel Vinge knows it's not his Tour this year, but Visma being in dire straits no one will pull their head out of the sand.
I wonder what the Vuelta will look like this year?
I'm somehow sure Pogi won't blow this year. He might lose 30seconds on a bad day, but he's past breaking the walls with his head.

 

[James M]

againt jonas wheelsucking

This got me cracking up ngl but its also kinda true to a large degree see more and more people on social media harp on it too. Frustrating to root for indeed but cant fault the guy not much else he can do so wont use it against him myself.

 

[Cookster15]

There are a lot of mountains still to ride. He will be at his best on stages 14 and 15 but he needs to maintain his level for the final 3 days, specially stage 19 (queen stage for me).

Agree. The Col do la Bonette on stage 19 is 2,802 meters. When Pogacar cracked on Granon in 2022 Tour that was "only" 2,400 meters. But if he is at his best on stage 14 and 15 I think his lead would be insurmountable by that point unless he completely collapses like Loze last year which I think would be very unlikely.

We also should not assume Vingegaard's vaunted 3rd week is going to happen with his rushed and interrupted preparation. We will see.

 

[Jack_89]

I love how Vingegaard is relying on past events more and more ("I took 7 minutes on two stages, 25 seconds is nothing").
Basing your results on opposition bonking is somewhat suspect. I feel Vinge knows it's not his Tour this year, but Visma being in dire straits no one will pull their head out of the sand.
I wonder what the Vuelta will look like this year?
I'm somehow sure Pogi won't blow this year. He might lose 30seconds on a bad day, but he's past breaking the walls with his head.

He's trying to put pressure on Pogacar, wants to make him doubts on his current shape. A smart move , since he cant do anything till the final week

 

[pihi42]

He's trying to put pressure on Pogacar, wants to make him doubts on his current shape. A smart move , since he cant do anything till the final week

I fear that's not it .. I suspect his Visma coaches are inflating him, but the bubble might burst spectacularly. I see no long-term benefit in this. Meanwhile I only percieve realism from Pogi/Remco/Rogla camps.
Something's wrong.

 

[James M]

Also if you think about it. San luca stage wasnt really decisive enough in reality to gain time on Vingegaard in great shape like he is. Then it was the Galibier stage with HEADWIND which played a major part and this fast tt which seperated little time to many people overall. Gaining that much time he has already taking that into considiration I think he is very strong and will gain alot come next mountain stage. Will also come on top of mountain so he can launch his watt earlier and noone will be able to sustain for more than 600meter without blowing up which weve seen entire year. He should have over 2 minutes by next sunday.

Then stage 11 is a joker aswell not taken that into account as its a question mark for me. But he might have fun there too.
He is looking great with the Giro in the legs its his Tour to loose now only needs to come in and be able to hold the form which always was the iffy hard thing in retrospect about him.

 

[jmdirt]

I love how Vingegaard is relying on past events more and more ("I took 7 minutes on two stages, 25 seconds is nothing").
Basing your results on opposition bonking is somewhat suspect. I feel Vinge knows it's not his Tour this year, but Visma being in dire straits no one will pull their head out of the sand.
I wonder what the Vuelta will look like this year?
I'm somehow sure Pogi won't blow this year. He might lose 30seconds on a bad day, but he's past breaking the walls with his head.

So, you want JV to say: "I have no chance, oh well".
The TdF is in full flight and you are wondering about the Vuelta?!

 

[pihi42]

So, you want JV to say: "I have no chance, oh well".

In the fine world of literature you'll find many more possible responses to losing some time to a competitor.
Either Visma is not well versed in this discipline or it is inflating, which is a false dichotomy, but a good one.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Agree. The Col do la Bonette on stage 19 is 2,802 meters. When Pogacar cracked on Granon in 2022 Tour that was "only" 2,400 meters. But if he is at his best on stage 14 and 15 I think his lead would be insurmountable by that point unless he completely collapses like Loze last year which I think would be very unlikely.

We also should not assume Vingegaard's vaunted 3rd week is going to happen with his rushed and interrupted preparation. We will see.

2802 m is almost like death zone for Teddy, right? Galibier was barely 2642 m after all. The GC situation by the time the infamous final weekend comes can be different from today's though. This race is the ultimate clash of top cycling stars (the greatest GC clash of this generation) and still a lot of scenarios are possible. Suspence and excitement are there.

 

[Cookster15]

2802 m is almost like death zone for Teddy, right? Galibier was barely 2642 m after all. The GC situation by the time the infamous final weekend comes can be different from today's though. This race is the ultimate clash of top cycling stars (the greatest GC clash of this generation) and still a lot of scenarios are possible. Suspence and excitement are there.

I've been guilty in this forum for getting prematurely carried away on my favored rider's prospects. Pog's performance so far is tearing at my self control. But until we get past stage 15 intact, with the Giro in his legs I still fear the 3rd week and Vingegaard miracles. Still two weeks to go and rider fortunes can change quickly.

Also great to see Roglic and Remco riding well so far. I hope they can keep that up in this clash of the titans

 

[Froome]

Agree. The Col do la Bonette on stage 19 is 2,802 meters. When Pogacar cracked on Granon in 2022 Tour that was "only" 2,400 meters. But if he is at his best on stage 14 and 15 I think his lead would be insurmountable by that point unless he completely collapses like Loze last year which I think would be very unlikely.

We also should not assume Vingegaard's vaunted 3rd week is going to happen with his rushed and interrupted preparation. We will see.

I was looking at this thread, and for a moment i thought i was on the thread of Vingegaard.

I think the altitude does very damage when the altitude unites to the stepness.

The altitude doesn't make that much of a damage when the climb isn at 4/5/6 % gradient.

 

[Cookster15]

I was looking at this thread, and for a moment i thought i was on the thread of Vingegaard.

I think the altitude does very damage when the altitude unites to the stepness.

The altitude doesn't make that much of a damage when the climb isn at 4/5/6 % gradient.

When we discuss Pogacar's chances that can't be done without mentioning Vingegaard.

I was going to add a point on the relative steepness. Yes Granon was 9% versus less than 7% over 23km for Bonette (11% in the final kilometer). But what makes the difference at altitude is watts per kilo, not just the gradient. The gradient is what forces the watts per kilo.

 

[TrekCyclist]

If Pogi can keep this level, it will be difficult for Vingo this year. Big question is, whether Pogi is able to keep this level in the third week. I dont think, Pogi is too worrierd about Evenepoel or Roglic at the moment.

 

[scribers]

I love how Vingegaard is relying on past events more and more ("I took 7 minutes on two stages, 25 seconds is nothing").
Basing your results on opposition bonking is somewhat suspect. I feel Vinge knows it's not his Tour this year, but Visma being in dire straits no one will pull their head out of the sand.
I wonder what the Vuelta will look like this year?
I'm somehow sure Pogi won't blow this year. He might lose 30seconds on a bad day, but he's past breaking the walls with his head.

A lot of racing ahead. Anything can happen. He’s not going to admit defeat out loud as it’s admitting defeat mentally.

 

[velaso montador]

Great TT today how strong is this guy hard to believe he just won the Giro just recently in a record margin in ages in GT and now here he is just after the Giro this strong mamma mia.

Not surprised that he is stronger than anyone else when he is not riding hurt/broken hand but still surprised of his level. Anyway its his Tour to loose now and only a crash or effects from the Giro can properly stop him.

He clearly is the strongest its not hard to see. Im just speechless honestly how he can be this strong when I just saw him in the Giro tear that apart and now here in the tour this level in the double,,,,, noone been able to ever since Pantani its just hard to grasp how strong he actually is.

Awesome TT. Also awesome TT from the aero bullet machine Evenpoel, he is enjoying his Tour debut and im all here for it.

 

[velaso montador]

If he can manage the million dollar question noone else has been able to...sustain the form after the Giro in the tour double, history will then be written now as he is the strongest.

Not that this guy hasnt already written history but just a new one.

 

[bNator]

I love how Vingegaard is relying on past events more and more ("I took 7 minutes on two stages, 25 seconds is nothing").
Basing your results on opposition bonking is somewhat suspect. I feel Vinge knows it's not his Tour this year, but Visma being in dire straits no one will pull their head out of the sand.
I wonder what the Vuelta will look like this year?
I'm somehow sure Pogi won't blow this year. He might lose 30seconds on a bad day, but he's past breaking the walls with his head.

I actually went and checked his statements after your post. The guy sure has black belt in passive aggression…

 

[James M]

I actually went and checked his statements after your post. The guy sure has black belt in passive aggression…

Its coming of as they have some serious inferior complex regarding Pogacar ngl. Same can be said about the team vs Van der poel in classics. But what can they do they have to rely on somone else not beeing at their best in order to win they dont have many other options thats just the bottom line if were beeing honest wether that be Pogacar is hurt or Van der poel not beeing at his best. But its not a good look as it wreecks of some inferior complex ngl

 

[snipeheem]

If he win giro-tour this year i believe its not question that he is the greatest of all time

 

[snipeheem]

I actually went and checked his statements after your post. The guy sure has black belt in passive aggression…

Vingegaard its just pathethic arrogant man nothing else. He is just like whole Jumbo, Extremely arrogant. I am glad more people see his true face right now

 

[scribers]

No he’s not that bad. This is sports not war

 

[Lequack]

He had ample road side support