Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[YavorD]

Merckx is the most complete and talented rider ever.

He was also a sprinter who could beat those guys in a flat stage.

Most of the people back then could do everything Roger de Vlaeminck could top 10 in GTs.
Nowadays you have MVDP dominating classics but nowhere to be seen in GTs and Vingegaard dominating GTs without bothering about pne day races.
That's why Pogacar is so special. Because in these years of specialization he's doing what Merckx was doing back then.
Fairly sure Merckx wouldn't win half as much nowadays
Fairly sure Pogacar would win more if Vingegaard wasn't all about stage racing

 

[Berniece]

Just because some media outlets, sensationalists, click baiters, say he’s better than Merckx, doesn’t mean it’s actually so.

 

[YavorD]

Just because some media outlets, sensationalists, click baiters, say he’s better than Merckx, doesn’t mean it’s actually so.

He may as well be better.
Who knows if Pogacar wouldn't win much more in Merckx' years?
Who knows if Merckx wouldn't just be another Van Aert (highly talented all-rounder, able to do everything but missing on big wins) nowadays?

The sheer number of wins will always be in Merckx favour but if we take into account how competitive the racing the racing is today...

I mean, I might be wrong but during Merckx years Pogacar would just do the Peace race and other eastern bloc **** races. so his era was naturally less competitive.

 

[James M]

If ppl talk about greatness its imposisble to compare eras but best its not only common sense its Pogacar its beyond obvious. Find something else which are not common sense and are not looked upon as the most obvious thing in the real world already so we all here dont look like morons

We got a pretty epic race coming up with the best riders in the world Pogacar, Remco and MVDP only missing WVA. That race gonne be one hell of a epic race.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He may as well be better.
Who knows if Pogacar wouldn't win much more in Merckx' years?
Who knows if Merckx wouldn't just be another Van Aert (highly talented all-rounder, able to do everything but missing on big wins) nowadays?

The sheer number of wins will always be in Merckx favour but if we take into account how competitive the racing the racing is today...

I mean, I might be wrong but during Merckx years Pogacar would just do the Peace race and other eastern bloc **** races. so his era was naturally less competitive.

Merckx himself said after his crash he was no longer the best climber but he still won so much, specially in GT's. It is not stupid to think he wouldn't have a chance against a rider like Vingegaard or Pogacar in the Tour. But it is impossible to compare eras, Pogacar is clearly the best in this era and Merckx was the best in his era.

 

[YavorD]

Merckx himself said after his crash he was no longer the best climber but he still won so much, specially in GT's. It is not stupid to think he wouldn't have a chance against a rider like Vingegaard or Pogacar in the Tour. But it is impossible to compare eras, Pogacar is clearly the best in this era and Merckx was the best in his era.

Just look at his 1972 season.
Paris-Nice and a full classics season before the double. Does anyone really think he would be able to pull off something like that today? He'd be dead by the Giro so nobody would talk about how great that season is.
Yes, Merckx will always be the most successful rider but a lot of his wins are influenced by the weaker competition and the style of racing back then. What Pogacar is doing nowadays is as close as it gets to GOAT status all things considered.

 

[Froome]

Just look at his 1972 season.
Paris-Nice and a full classics season before the double. Does anyone really think he would be able to pull off something like that today? He'd be dead by the Giro so nobody would talk about how great that season is.
Yes, Merckx will always be the most successful rider but a lot of his wins are influenced by the weaker competition and the style of racing back then. What Pogacar is doing nowadays is as close as it gets to GOAT status all things considered.

It's not that different. He beat in 1972, Poulidor, Gimondi, agostinho, zoetemelk.

It's not like Van gils in strade bianche, martinez and thomas in the Giro, or the injuried guys in the Tour who could be real competition are better than those riders.

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It doesn't matter. Nobody can rewrite history.

Merckx is the GOAT of road cycling.

 

[YavorD]

It's not that different. He beat in 1972, Poulidor, Gimondi, agostinho, zoetemelk.

It's not like Van gils in strade bianche, martinez and thomas in the Giro, or the injuried guys in the Tour who could be real competition are better than those riders.

If it's so easy to beat these riders why Vingegaard doesn't beat them to have the same palmares?

Why the last case of a GT double and a monument win in the same season was 40 years ago then?

I guess that's easy to achieve that and nobody is even trying because they like challenges like peaking for 2 races? Oh, wait..

 

[Froome]

If it's so easy to beat these riders why Vingegaard doesn't beat them to have the same palmares?

Why the last case of a GT double and a monument win in the same season was 40 years ago then?

I guess that's easy to achieve that and nobody is even trying because they like challenges like peaking for 2 races? Oh, wait..

Because Vingegaard is just a GT rider at the moment. I don't pretend he is the best ever of this universe.

It's a great accomplishement doing a double and a monument. I just disagree that it would be the best season ever.

 

[YavorD]

Because Vingegaard is just a GT rider at the moment. I don't pretend he is the best of this universe.

It's a great accomplishement doing a double and a monument. I just disagree that it would be the best season ever.

And if Vingegaard cared about classics as much as the likes of Gimondi and Poulidor (that you mentioned) and didn't peak specifically for the Tour 4 years in a roll, Pogacar would (very likely) have 5 Tours by the age of 25, no?

See how much one's palmares are influenced by the competition?
In 1972 Merckx had to beat Gimondi in the Giro and the Tour. Poulidor in one day races and in the Tour. This year Pogacar has to fight different riders in every damn race. That's why this season has a strong argument about being the best ever.


Oh, and Pogacar is the best rider of the universe. Unless you're able to point someone who is better.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Because Vingegaard is just a GT rider at the moment. I don't pretend he is the best ever of this universe.

It's a great accomplishement doing a double and a monument. I just disagree that it would be the best season ever.

Good thing it could be double, 2 monuments, and worlds. Which an argument can be made as the best season ever.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

And why do you stay here, posting more than anyone? This is a Pogacar's thread, right?

Because he is saying that Pogačar‘s season is not better than Merckx‘s season which does belong in the Pogačar thread

 

[mariosommelier]

Because he is saying that Pogačar‘s season is not better than Merckx‘s season which does belong in the Pogačar thread

We believe that Pogacar is close to Merckx, and so what?

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[Peyroteo94]

It's not that different. He beat in 1972, Poulidor, Gimondi, agostinho, zoetemelk.

It's not like Van gils in strade bianche, martinez and thomas in the Giro, or the injuried guys in the Tour who could be real competition are better than those riders.

It doesn't matter. Nobody can rewrite history.

Merckx is the GOAT of road cycling.

These hot takes from someone born in the 90's...

 

[Peyroteo94]

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I don't want to be banned so I will just focus on Tadej because this thread is about him. I just hope he doesn't come here and enjoy his birthday.

 

[mariosommelier]

I don't want to be banned so I will just focus on Tadej because this thread is about him. I just hope he doesn't come here and enjoy his birthday.

There are two individuals here who love to disrupt our thread, they feel the need to come here and cause unnecessary trouble.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

These hot takes from someone born in the 90's...

Come on, man, there's no reason to start attacking people for being born in the 90s. If there ever were a legitimate reason for banning someone

Also I'm not even sure Froome was alive before the year 2000 anyway.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

There are two individuals here who love to disrupt our thread, they feel the need to come here and cause unnecessary trouble.

Mod hat on:
There is no "our thread". Threads on riders are for discussion of that rider, his races, his fitness, his publicity, and whatever else pertains to him. Any forum member can participate in that, so long as they do so with respect towards other forum members, no matter how their opinions or preferences may diverge, and they have some meaningful, and not deliberately erroneous, contribution to make.

Telling people that they are not welcome in a thread will be considered harassment, and will draw sanctions.

 

[mariosommelier]

Mod hat on:
There is no "our thread". Threads on riders are for discussion of that rider, his races, his fitness, his publicity, and whatever else pertains to him. Any forum member can participate in that, so long as they do so with respect towards other forum members, no matter how their opinions or preferences may diverge, and they have some meaningful, and not deliberately erroneous, contribution to make.

Telling people that they are not welcome in a thread will be considered harassment, and will draw sanctions.

Why don't you give warnings or ban people who mock our opinions? So far, I've only seen you banning fans of Pogacar. People come here, laugh, ridicule what we say, and that's okay.

But when we call someone a hater, we get warnings and bans. Why this double standard? Aren't you letting your preference for certain cyclists interfere with your work as a moderator?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why don't you give warnings or ban people who mock our opinions? So far, I've only seen you banning fans of Pogacar. People come here, laugh, ridicule what we say, and that's okay.

But when we call someone a hater, we get warnings and bans. Why this double standard? Aren't you letting your preference for certain cyclists interfere with your work as a moderator?

He is right and I think he knows what we suffer with that person and is aware what is going on. Froome already was banned multiple times so even if Armchair has preferences, he doesn't let interfere with his job as a mod.
Cheers mate and just ignore haters.

 

[Berniece]

And why do you stay here, posting more than anyone? This is a Pogacar's thread, right?

This is a cycling forum not the official Pogacar fan website

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Why don't you give warnings or ban people who mock our opinions? So far, I've only seen you banning fans of Pogacar. People come here, laugh, ridicule what we say, and that's okay.

But when we call someone a hater, we get warnings and bans. Why this double standard? Aren't you letting your preference for certain cyclists interfere with your work as a moderator?

You know nothing of my preferences about cyclists.

Yes, if someone makes attacks on forum members, he/she will get warnings and bans. That is not a double standard: it is the application of the standard that civility is compulsory. It is about the fact that we are here to discuss cycling, not each other.

 

[Didinho]

26 years today. He’s getting old.

 

[Salvarani]

26 years today. He’s getting old.

Old man is the GOAT and still going strong!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Old man is the GOAT

Hello, this is not the Merckx thread!!!