Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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If exceptions disproved that label, no one would call Rogla a mountain sprinter.

What exactly did Vinge do during this year's Tour except MB then? Failed attempt on stage 6 and since then nothing, just hiding behind his teammates. Pogacar has been more offensive since then and attacked today first (which wasn't a sprint lol, but a hard-ridden stage). He failed but so did Vinge on stage 6.
Why your fave, attrition king, didn't attack on the most difficult part of this hard ridden, brutal stage but a mountain sprinter actually did it?

BTW none of Skeletor's solos were as impressive as the best ones by your mountain sprinter.
 
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When WE Look in modern age , is Pog the Guy with fastest kick ever when He attacks?

This why he Always gets a Gap to Vinge.

Who could have hold that weel?

Maybe Rog who ist known for His Kick too?
Prime Froome,Contador,Valverde,Armstrong maybe?

Always impressive
 
There are really two ways to look at today. You can point out that Pigacar was in a prime position to take additional seconds from Vingegaard with time bonuses and instead he lost one. Or you can note that this was the day Jumbo threw avsolutely everything at him and yet Vingegaard was never anywhere close to dropping him.

I think the key takeaway for Pogacar has to be that if he is in yellow after the TT then Vingegaard probably won't be able to retake it. Hence that TT is what the entire focus has to be on.
 
I think the key takeaway for Pogacar has to be that if he is in yellow after the TT then Vingegaard probably won't be able to retake it. Hence that TT is what the entire focus has to be on.

While this is logical, I think it depends very much on how JV will ride tomorrow. If he smells blood in the water, he will attack I think. Maybe even from far out if JV completly blow up the race and themselves in the process.
 
Tactically Pogi rode an excellent race.
He tried an attack 4-5km out of summit to really get a good gap if Vinge wasn't in a good day. But then when he saw it wasn't the case, he wasn't going to blow his legs up just to get 10 secs on the summit, and Vinge getting to him in the descent... this would have been stupid.
I would argue that tactically, Pogi made some avoidable mistakes:

1. he went too early (from the top). A small mistake, as this probably took out the sharpness of a (probably more succesful) move closer to the top. It was worth the gamble though.
2. he somehow forgot to sprint for bonus seconds on the top, or he felt he didn't have the legs / confidence anymore due to motogate? Another small mistake.
3. he didn't keep going after the top (on the plateau), enabling Rodriguez to come back earlier in the descent.
4. When Rodriguez came back, he didn't latch onto his wheel immediately. Letting Rodriguez go clear cost him most probably the stage / extra bonus seconds.

All of the above would only have resulted in marginal differences, but still. It wasn't 'excellent'. Notwithstanding motogate, he wasn't given too much leeway, but the options he had (timing of attack, sprinting on the top, controlling the descent, sprinting for the stage): he did all of those not in the best way.
 
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I would argue that tactically, Pogi made some avoidable mistakes:

1. he went too early (from the top). A small mistake, as this probably took out the sharpness of a (probably more succesful) move closer to the top. It was worth the gamble though.
2. he somehow forgot to sprint for bonus seconds on the top, or he felt he didn't have the legs / confidence anymore due to motogate? Another small mistake.
3. he didn't keep going after the top (on the plateau), enabling Rodriguez to come back earlier in the descent.
4. When Rodriguez came back, he didn't latch onto his wheel immediately. Letting Rodriguez go clear cost him most probably the stage / extra bonus seconds.

All of the above would only have resulted in marginal differences, but still. It wasn't 'excellent'. Notwithstanding motogate, he wasn't given too much leeway, but the options he had (timing of attack, sprinting on the top, controlling the descent, sprinting for the stage): he did all of those not in the best way.

I agree that Pogačar might have went too early but regarding the sprint at the top of the climb he said that he didn't have the legs due to motogate.

Regarding the descent, I think he did the best that he could, he started the descent in second position but Rodriguez was just better than him there. I actually think Vingegård was the one that made a mistake there because if he had started the descent behind Rodriguez I think he could have dropped Pogačar there by a few seconds and probably get the stage win at the end as he has been stronger in technical descents lately, maybe Pogačar's wrist is still bothering him in the circumstance.
 
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I would argue that tactically, Pogi made some avoidable mistakes:

1. he went too early (from the top). A small mistake, as this probably took out the sharpness of a (probably more succesful) move closer to the top. It was worth the gamble though.
2. he somehow forgot to sprint for bonus seconds on the top, or he felt he didn't have the legs / confidence anymore due to motogate? Another small mistake.
3. he didn't keep going after the top (on the plateau), enabling Rodriguez to come back earlier in the descent.
4. When Rodriguez came back, he didn't latch onto his wheel immediately. Letting Rodriguez go clear cost him most probably the stage / extra bonus seconds.

All of the above would only have resulted in marginal differences, but still. It wasn't 'excellent'. Notwithstanding motogate, he wasn't given too much leeway, but the options he had (timing of attack, sprinting on the top, controlling the descent, sprinting for the stage): he did all of those not in the best way.

In retrospect he did went too early.

But as you said it was a gamble worth taking. Winning the TdF 5-10 secs at a time is dangerous. If you can take 30-1min this is way safer.
 
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Almost everyone is cheering for him. Hope this give him extra power. I don't dislike Vingegaard (I really think he is one of a kind too on the bike) but man, Pogacar is people's champion. He deserves this Tour after all the setbacks. I'm hoping for a big fight without crashes, mechanicals or motos to ruin what could be a battle for the ages. We are probably witnessing the biggest rivalry in cycling of all times.
 
When WE Look in modern age , is Pog the Guy with fastest kick ever when He attacks?

This why he Always gets a Gap to Vinge.

Who could have hold that weel?

Maybe Rog who ist known for His Kick too?
Prime Froome,Contador,Valverde,Armstrong maybe?

Always impressive
In his prime, Contador on steep inclines was faster, but he couldn’t sprint worth a lick.

On the steep finishes, Purito was pretty unbeatable.
 
TJV thought that a really hard stage would be to Vingegaard's advantage. Pog proved them wrong. Still a bit curious why Pog didn't wait do to his attack a little bit later, with 1.5.-2k to go, like he did on stage 6 and on Puy de Dome. Now he gave Vingegaard a chance to set his own pace and more time to reel him in.
 
I agree that Pogačar might have went too early but regarding the sprint at the top of the climb he said that he didn't have the legs due to motogate.

Regarding the descent, I think he did the best that he could, he started the descent in second position but Rodriguez was just better than him there. I actually think Vingegård was the one that made a mistake there because if he had started the descent behind Rodriguez I think he could have dropped Pogačar there by a few seconds and probably get the stage win at the end as he has been stronger in technical descents lately, maybe Pogačar's wrist is still bothering him in the circumstance.
Vinge tried on a couple times to pass Pog but Pog was cutting him off and the lines he took made it hard to pass.